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Just wondering did sbt ever falsely use a picture of building that is for sale in another state and claim it as their own? ...
While something is definitely a bit odd, it is worth noting that the listing in Indiana is for a Lot that is "Build to Suit". So while that picture is obviously the same one that is on SES's website, it is not necessarily in IN. Possibly that is a minor clarification and SES is using a fake picture, or maybe the IN listing is using a fake picture. Or possibly both are using a stock photo!! Dunno.
 
Some guys are going to defend him to the end, what they are not seeing is the FRAUD, you may care less what his building looks like but for some reason he decided to steal the image, that has nothing to do with his work but more his morals and the type of guy he is, look at adams post, THAT IS HIS CUSTOMER. He lies about shipping, I dont know one shipper that doesnt have tracking. I used a greyhound a bus company for shipping and got a tracking number. I just do not buy that. He probably has the right equipment but it seems this is a side thing for him, not his main job. That is a big fact that people might want to know.
 
While something is definitely a bit odd, it is worth noting that the listing in Indiana is for a Lot that is "Build to Suit". So while that picture is obviously the same one that is on SES's website, it is not necessarily in IN. Possibly that is a minor clarification and SES is using a fake picture, or maybe the IN listing is using a fake picture. Or possibly both are using a stock photo!! Dunno.


Build to suit is on every empty warehouse, it is for equipping it with machinery. You build to suit your needs. That is not a stock image. Google maps that adress.
 
Google, google images. Right click his photo, copy the URL of the pic on his site. Go to google images bar and right click and paste his pic URL, then search.

Oops you will need to do this too

I skipped a step. Once you go to http://www.google.com/imghp you need to
click on the camera in the search bar THEN put the image URL in the bar and
hit search and it will bring up all the Indiana images
 
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I'm not sticking up for the guy, but I would guess he hired someone to build his website.They probably found a nice looking building and just used the picture to make the site/his company look better. I agree though, it is deceiving and while a building is not everything, it is nice to know your not getting work done from some hack working on things from his living room.

Also not giving someone a tracking number on something, especially something valued at $1,000+ is the dumbest thing ever. If i'm not mistaken FedEx and UPS automatically give a tracking number on everything you send through them.
 
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Its pretty obvious they used a stock photo. I agree...why put anything up...it would be more truthful than using some photo.

No wonder why it takes forever. Hell the shipping is alot more to get it to him b/c its a residential address. $20 difference when you are talking motors.

Theres the website pointing out the address...



And as here is the address...I turned the orentation around so you can see the front of the house. LOL looks like his neighbor is ballin'!

 
Some guys are going to defend him to the end, what they are not seeing is the FRAUD, you may care less what his building looks like but for some reason he decided to steal the image, that has nothing to do with his work but more his morals and the type of guy he is, look at adams post, THAT IS HIS CUSTOMER. He lies about shipping, I dont know one shipper that doesnt have tracking. I used a greyhound a bus company for shipping and got a tracking number. I just do not buy that. He probably has the right equipment but it seems this is a side thing for him, not his main job. That is a big fact that people might want to know.

Agreed. I was not defending anyone. Just pointing out an observation. "Steal" would be a strong word IF this is a stock photo. Stock photos do come with some web design packages, paid in full. Not the most honorable approach to winning customer confidence, but not theft either. The stock photo theory would explain why it showed up on 2 different web sites.

Again, I'm not defending anyone... As you may recall from another post, the jury is still out on my experience with SES, having sent my engine in last week. The comments about a 6 month turn around certainly have me worried. Somehow I missed that trend when making my decision... The website does state "NEW GUARANTEED SHIPPING DATE OR ITS FREE !!" but then again, I am not sure how I will get that date. Fingers are crossed.
 
I'm not sticking up for the guy, but I would guess he hired someone to build his website.They probably found a nice looking building and just used the picture to make the site/his company look better. I agree though, it is deceiving and while a building is not everything, it is nice to know your not getting work done from some hack working on things from his living room.

Also not giving someone a tracking number on something, especially something valued at $1,000+ is the dumbest thing ever. If i'm not mistaken FedEx and UPS automatically give a tracking number on everything you send through them.

Its pretty obvious they used a stock photo. I agree...why put anything up...it would be more truthful than using some photo.

No wonder why it takes forever. Hell the shipping is alot more to get it to him b/c its a residential address. $20 difference when you are talking motors.

Theres the website pointing out the address...



And as here is the address...I turned the orentation around so you can see the front of the house. LOL looks like his neighbor is ballin'!


YouCanDoIt....are you sure he isnt building these in his living room? Def seems like a side job to me, Ill make a large assumption but I doubt a guy can afford that nice of house rebuilding seadoo engines, with his prices, his margins must be really thin. I cant believe that he makes a ton of money off of each engine....
 
Build to suit is on every empty warehouse, it is for equipping it with machinery. You build to suit your needs. That is not a stock image. Google maps that adress.
Huh? It maps to an empty field or a school, and the ad says it is a lot and they note new construction ("This proposed new construction is located on Lot # 3"). Whatever. Your mind is clearly set. I was just trying to point out some facts. Not implying in any way that it was a smooth move for SES to mislead in that manner.
 
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Sorry man, I do not mean to attack any of you guys, honestly I am not his competition nor will I ever be one of his customers. This has just got me a little worked up, after seeing these turn around times and misplaced motors and then one of the guys blaming himself for not receiving his motor.


Edit, hey molotok why would this post out of all of mine get a thumbs down?
 
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When I am out cruising this summer on my ski, with an engine that Tom built, I really don't give a rats asz where he built it, in his kitchen, bathroom etc. The most important thing is how it performs, and reliability. Now the long turnarounds that some of you have experienced is another issue that I hope he resolves.
 
When I am out cruising this summer on my ski, with an engine that Tom built, I really don't give a rats asz where he built it, in his kitchen, bathroom etc. The most important thing is how it performs, and reliability. Now the long turnarounds that some of you have experienced is another issue that I hope he resolves.



You might be out cruising but many others will be on the beach watching and just counting the days that pass over his estimated deadline.

You might get a kick out of this. He is notorious for saying things were already shipped or that they were lost.

09-18-2008, 03:33 PM #11
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Sorry to hear about that. I guess I had somewhat better luck than you. I finally got my motor back after 3-4 months, and numerous UPS lost my motor excuses. The motor that I finally got looked pretty good, and had good compression. Ran all summer long with no issues.

For the next motor I looked elsewhere. It blew during the summer and I wanted good turnaround so I gave SBT a shot and I definantely do not regret it. I had the motor in and out and only lost 1-2 weekends of usage. Saving a few bucks with someone else was definantely not worth the hassle.

I'll be using SBT in the future.
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Tom pisses me off. He saw my post on here, called me with all sorts of "Im sorry, I'm sorry" and told me the cylinders and pistons were in the mail. He said I should get them in a few days, and asked that I post on here that everything is okay, or remove my original post in this thread.

I said sure, I'll do that. A week later I called and said I hadn't gotten anything. Tom, being the compulsive liar he is, said he gave them to a guy to ship out and he'd call me back. He called back a day later and said that the guy shipped them, and he'd try to find a tracking number. A week later, I called and said I hadn't gotten the cylinders. (meaning cylinders and pistons) He said, "ok, well i have them packed in two boxes, so you got the pistons right?" I say no. I haven't seen anything.

A week later Tom called and said "Alright, I finally got the Pro-X pistons in. I can get everything sent out now"
I said "I thought you already had everything boxed and shipped?" and he told me that the pistons were the wrong size.

Basically, nothing he said made sense. He lies until he can lie no more. I finally got the pistons and cylinders after countless phone calls. He only gave me half of the gaskets I needed, but whatever.

Tom is full of crap. Beware!!!!!!!

He now works at East Coast Powersports and uses their name, so dont go there either!!

People like this should not be in business.
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Agree that Tom is a liar and I have unfortunately been a victim of his scams. He is now paired up with East Coast Cycle, so beware. Here is my story:

Initially ordered an engine rebuild on date 5/12/2009 and the engine was received by them on 5/21/2009. The engine was said to be completed and sent back to me within 10 days of receipt. After going back and forth with them, very painfully, they finally sent the engine to me and it was received by me on July 1st, 32 days after it was said to be returned to me.

The engine was defective with water leaks from the head and the crank went out within 20 minutes of operation. Called Tom and he said to send it back up and he would take care of it right away. I sent the engine back to him and it was received by him on 7/28. I was supposed to then get the engine back within one week. It is now 8/18 and still have no engine. I paid the initial 899.00, paid for shipping to East Coast Cycle twice @ 75.00 each time and still have no engine. If I only would have listed to everyone on here and just went with SBT instead of trying to save a couple hundred dollars.

Ironically the East Coast Cycle slogan is "Service while-u-wait" and I would like to emphasize the wait portion of that statement.

Tom has no doubt ruined my summer!

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Has anyone dealt with metalgod.org
Does anyone known anything about a company called metalgod,
there selling engines really cheap out of Philly PA. and on the net.
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This is too funny that I found this thread. I've had a really great experience with Tom Chrisman at metal god.
I had a blown 787 XP motor that I sent to tom. I was really leary because I never heard of him before and no one that I knew had ever heard of him.

Long story short...I got an F'n great job. I didn't have to take the damn fly wheel or the PTO off like SBT makes you do. And I got back a beutiful engine just the way I sent it to him, only with new pistons, crank and a nice paint job.
I also got the 1 year parts warranty with it. All in all...it's a deal you can't beat. Tom is a great guy, and his customer service is seccond to NONE!!!

DO BUISNESS WITH THIS COMPANY.

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Does anyone known anything about a company called metalgod,
there selling engines really cheap out of Philly PA. and on the net.
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So anyone else do any business with them? I have 3 motor needing to be reworked. What is there address and how does their warranty work. What is the turn around time? Anyone do a BBB check on them?
09-01-2007, 02:53 PM #4
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I had a 787 with cracked block. Tom removed and replaced all the extra parts I left on, welded the case, and sent me the completed engine...no complaints. Great prices compared with others.
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Do not ever do business with this company. Waiting > 3 months for my motor and have been told 3 times now "i'm putting it in the mail this week" three months later still no motor
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Originally Posted by redrizzo
Do not ever do business with this company. Waiting > 3 months for my motor and have been told 3 times now "i'm putting it in the mail this week" three months later still no motor
After a five week turnaround I ended up getting a nice engine but I sent the core in like feburary and got it back in early april GOD only knows what it would take in the summer and I did notice that there were some inconstantces in what he said,I would not take this chance again.
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you have to send the core in first?
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yup, I sent my core in in December
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After seeing Tom Chrisman's ad on ebay and reading several positive feedbacks on this website, I contacted him regarding a rebuild of a 718 cc Seadoo engine. He was very responsive in our first dealings, but after I sent him the cash along with my core engine, he was virtually impossible to get in touch with. He would not return calls and when I did get in touch with him, he always had some sort of lame excuse or just outright lied to me about status and ship dates of my rebuilt engine. What started out as a 2 week lead time turned into several months and countless phone calls - not to mention downtime of use for the Seadoo and a couple of lost sales of the bike. When I finally received the engine, everything appeared to be OK until I started to hook up lines and found a fitting missing. After several more unanswered calls, I finally got in touch with Tom and, even though initially he assured me that he would take care of any problems I might have, he told me to just go to Lowes or Home Depot to replace the fitting since it was very common. Of course I had already tried that and only contacted him because it wasn't a common fitting. The good news is, the engine appears to be OK, but after a few hours of break-in time, I sold the bike and gave the new buyer Tom's contact info. in case he had any problems. Hopefully, he won't have to use it.
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I made an account on here just so I could put in my bad word about metalgod. It's more like metalcrap, for many reasons. I sent me engine in last January, two weeks turned into 5 months, I finally got it in the end of june. The thing looked bad, the powervalves didn't fit because he gave me cylinders with melted piston in them, and one cylinder (951 engine) barely had any compression. Installed the engine, put pre-mix in, and 3 hours later after a good break-in, a piston was knocking and the engine went out. took the engine apart and he didnt even use Pro-X pistons like I paid him 150 extra for! They were WSM. So he ripped me off there and tried to get away with it. I called him and told him what happened, and he said send them back and he'll bore them, get a new top end kit, and send it all back within a week and a half. It's been 3 months and he keeps on lieing. UPS lost it, the pistons were the wrong size, Pro-X was out of stock, WSM sent the wrong stuff. Endless BS. He only answers my calls if I use a new phone number, and keeps telling me they'll be here any day. Dont use this guy!!!!


After all of this he conviently changed to ses no more metalgod.
 
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Sorry man, I do not mean to attack any of you guys, honestly I am not his competition nor will I ever be one of his customers. This has just got me a little worked up, after seeing these turn around times and misplaced motors and then one of the guys blaming himself for not receiving his motor.

No apology needed. The discussion is healthy.

Since I did decide to go with Tom/SES I felt compelled to see if I could track my shipment (that was paid for by SES). It was as trackable as UPS can be, which is less than FedEx - the UPS tracking number did confirm that it was delivered on 02/14 at 14:24. Let the clock begin:)
 
YouCanDoIt....are you sure he isnt building these in his living room? Def seems like a side job to me, Ill make a large assumption but I doubt a guy can afford that nice of house rebuilding seadoo engines, with his prices, his margins must be really thin. I cant believe that he makes a ton of money off of each engine....

Lol, your right he very well could be. I think the same thing about cost margin, but if he has enough work to get behind 6 months on work, then I would think he could hire an extra hand or two for help. I know he sells his services on ebay too, and from all the members on here saying they have went with him, he must get quite a bit of business.

When I am out cruising this summer on my ski, with an engine that Tom built, I really don't give a rats asz where he built it, in his kitchen, bathroom etc. The most important thing is how it performs, and reliability. Now the long turnarounds that some of you have experienced is another issue that I hope he resolves.

That's true, if the work is good, it doesn't matter what room in his house he built your motor in lol. Im not bashing the guy, hell i've never had him work on anything of mine so I can't attest to his work. I was looking into sending him a crankshaft for rebuild, until I read through this thread. The lack of customer service is a biggie for me.
 
So much for sleeping tonight, thanks JSG:lol:

Its actually too bad, I think he builds a good amount of motors for guys, but it sure sounds like he is in a downward slide, if he is out of the picture we all know what will happen to SBT prices.

My next one I will try and do myself, how hard can it be?
 
Not too hard with a manual, and just send the jugs out fullbore $275 for the complete top end service, bored, new pistons, top end kit and return shipping for that price, a sbt crank $275 and a counterbalancer $75 now just some gaskets, seals, locktite, yamabond,and time and you are good to go.
 
The point with JSGs posts are know what you are getting into before you pick a company.

There's something to be said about people acting like they are a happy customer when in reality they are part of the company, along with the "shop" picture. It makes zero sense his shipping address is to a house if he has a commercial shop.

Obviously their are different shades of shady...its up to the customer on what they are willing to overlook.

Any of you guys that sent a motor out...is the address on the website where you sent your motor or did he give you a different address?
 
The point with JSGs posts are know what you are getting into before you pick a company.

There's something to be said about people acting like they are a happy customer when in reality they are part of the company, along with the "shop" picture. It makes zero sense his shipping address is to a house if he has a commercial shop.

Obviously their are different shades of shady...its up to the customer on what they are willing to overlook.

Any of you guys that sent a motor out...is the address on the website where you sent your motor or did he give you a different address?
I think it is safe to assume that this is mostly or completely a home/garage operation, not a commercial shop. Mine shipped to the address that maps to the house with the red umbrellas:) UPS tracking noted it was delivered to the porch.

[EDIT:] Please disregard this post. Since I posted this, it has been confirmed that Tom/SES has a shop. Sorry for prolonging false accusations.
 
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The point with JSGs posts are know what you are getting into before you pick a company.

There's something to be said about people acting like they are a happy customer when in reality they are part of the company, along with the "shop" picture. It makes zero sense his shipping address is to a house if he has a commercial shop.

Obviously their are different shades of shady...its up to the customer on what they are willing to overlook.

Any of you guys that sent a motor out...is the address on the website where you sent your motor or did he give you a different address?

Same address;

Thomas Chrisman
Remanengines
913 Rutledge Ave
Horsham, PA
19044
 
http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?39604-has-anyone-used-ses-for-engines


Here is yet another link
http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?39604-has-anyone-used-ses-for-engines

The guy was on other forums using the same name and claiming not to be Tom, then he was busted and admitted it.
He states his turnaround time is 3 weeks. I have not seen anyone say that. If you want to save $100 but lose 2 months of riding use them, all of these places have had quality issues, im not saying the others are perfect, but i have never seen such poor customer service and it seems as some of you guys just get blaintenly lied to. No tracking yet he has given tracking numbers to some of you. If he owned or had a shop, shippimg to and from his business would be cheaper. Trust me I know I have stuff shipped to the warehouse all the time, way cheaper.
 
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