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2001 Seadoo Sportster LE. Just got it!

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Concerned about I didn't turn off the water before shut off the engine. I just started the engine without hose twice. It ran no problem. Some water came out. I checked the RPM in the second time. It was 1250RPM.
Also the engine was vibrating a little there. Is it normal for a 2 stroke?


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Okay good, it sounds like it runs.

When did you shut off the water, last year or today?

The reason you want to run the engine for 30 seconds without the hose is so you don't put your horse away while it's still wet, you must blow the water out of the exhaust so it's doesn't flood back into the engine and cause corrosion.

If the idle speed is 1250, it means one cylinder is not firing, this is the cause of your vibrations, idle speed on trailer should be near 3000~3200. Have you replaced the spark plugs with fresh ones and confirmed the gap setting at 0.020"?

One more thing, please check compression again and give us the steps to confirm the method.
 
I didn't do any blow out last fall :-(
I only poured a lot of anti freeze in.
I did run the engine for 15 second twice today without hose.
I didn't replace the spark plugs. I will check the gap. But I did test the plugs out of the engine when cranking, they arced well.

The low RPM explained why it always stop when I pull the throttle back to switch from neutral to forward.

Can I verify "only one cylinder is working" by unplug one of the spark wires out and to see if there is difference?

Also I found out the pipe support 274000878 is broken. Maybe from the vibration?

I will do the compression again tonight and report.

Thanks guys, without you guys, I am no where even close to be where I am right now. May have already given up :-)


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I didn't do any blow out last fall :-(

*Always turn the water off first, 30 seconds before turning off motor. You can hear the exhaust tone change as the water is blown out by the pressure, it gets slightly louder.

I only poured a lot of anti freeze in.
* You should do this, I pinched the block drain using forceps and poured in 2 quarts of 100% -50* antifreeze then stopped when it came out the flush port. Then removed the forceps from pinching the block drain. There shouldn't be much water in there if you ran the motor 30 seconds no hose but a small amount is always trapped and so it's necessary to pour in some antifreeze to be safe. It's impossible to remove all the water and completely dry the exhaust so it's important to fog/oil the motor well to prevent corrosion in the cylinders due to residual moisture in the exhaust, the cylinder sleeves are iron and rust quickly, rust is no bueno.

I did run the engine for 15 second twice today without hose.
* You can actually run it longer(if it's running correctly) but I recommend 30 seconds to be safe, I found it's enough time to blow most of the water out of the exhaust. Oiling your motor helps reduce corrosion further, always oil your motor, never forget it must always have oil or damage will occur. If you see oil smoke, for sure it's enough oil. If you don't see oil smoke, there may not be enough oil. Oil going in is the only lubricant it receives, this oil eventually leaves through the exhaust then there is no lubricant remaining. At low throttle position like idle, the oil pump delivers NO oil.

I didn't replace the spark plugs. I will check the gap. But I did test the plugs out of the engine when cranking, they arced well.
*Just b/c you see spark with plugs out doesn't mean they will spark while in, the conditions are more severe with compression, the voltage must rise higher to jump the gap. This is why the gap is just 0.020" Also, you may have a dry carburetor, make a squirt bottle of 32/1 fuel mix and give the dead cylinder a shot of this while the engine is running (don't use straight gasoline, there is no lube, remember you always need lube), if the cylinder begins firing by adding fuel (you can hear the improvement), the carb is likely gummed and needs rebuilding. Otherwise change the plugs, changing plugs when one cylinder is dead is always the first action to take b/c most often that's the problem (all of this is assuming the engine is in good condition and compression is normal).

The low RPM explained why it always stop when I pull the throttle back to switch from neutral to forward.
*I think you must mean this happened while in the water.

Can I verify "only one cylinder is working" by unplug one of the spark wires out and to see if there is difference?
* I prefer to feel the warm plug from the heat of fire, the cold plug is misfiring. If the cylinder compression is low, it may not ever fire. If the spark plug is new then squirt some premix 32/1 in the carb and see if the cylinder begins firing. If it beings to fire, the carb is gummed and needs rebuild.

Also I found out the pipe support 274000878 is broken. Maybe from the vibration?
*Hmm, I hear this is common.

I will do the compression again tonight and report.
*Thanks, I hope they are both near 120psi or more.

Thanks guys, without you guys, I am no where even close to be where I am right now. May have already given up :-)
*No problem, I think you have more work ahead of you though.


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I can see the dissertation is coming :thumbsup:

I got stomach upset last night, in and out the bathroom 8-10 times, lot of compression in there :lol:

This is what I did in the morning: I am writing every single step here, also with some pictures.

- boat is in the garage, I opened the garage doors.
- turn battery on, push the throttle from min to max 3 times back and forth and let it sit at min position.
- push out the choke about 1/3, press the start button, the engine started in 1 second, RPM reading 1300PRM.
- After 15 seconds, I pressed the start button to turn the engine off.
- Touched the plugs, cannot feel the heat, I guess because 15 seconds is too short.
- Waited for about 1 minute to take out the compression kit.
- Unplugged the spark cables. turned off the fuel vale, put the throttle to max
- Unscrewed the PTO side spark plug, thick white smoke came out.
- Unscrewed the MAG side spark plug, no white smoke came out.
- I smelt both plugs, they smelt same.
- screwed the compression kit into the PTO plug hole, then white smoke came out of the MAG hole.
- Pressed the start button for about 6 seconds, the meter stabilized at about 110PSI.
- Pressed the release button to reset the reading to 0 PSI.
- Switched the compression kit into the MAG plug hole. Pressed the start button for 6 sec, the meter stabilized at about 110PSI.
- Shoot, I forgot to put the plugs back before I left for work!

Anyway, 110/110 is better than 90/60.

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One thing I didn't do is to buy two brand new spark plugs with 0.021" gap.
 
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My boat started acting funny last year. After trying all the non-obvious things, I bought new plugs and it ran like a champ. Lesson to be learned: Check the simple things first :)
 
My boat started acting funny last year. After trying all the non-obvious things, I bought new plugs and it ran like a champ. Lesson to be learned: Check the simple things first :)

Man, you are right. Engineers all think too complicated. Is it a "standard" part I can just get from local automotive stores?
 
Man, you are right. Engineers all think too complicated. Is it a "standard" part I can just get from local automotive stores?

Just look up what the correct ones are in your owners manual and call around. They are all pretty standard, but some stores may not carry them. In fact, get extras to keep in the boat.
 
110psi is a little low still but much better than 60/90! They're the same, that's an important metric. Maybe you're okay for further progress, even the gauge calibration could be slightly off. Order the exhaust bracket and install it when it arrives, to avoid damage.

If only one cylinder is firing, the engine will run rough, and the dead cylinder won't contribute to rotational speed. It will be harder to start, as well. Was the idle previously 3000 but now 1250, probably one cylinder is misfiring!

In the case one cylinder is not firing or the engine doesn't run correctly, always changing the spark plugs is the first step (assuming the engine is not obviously damaged) of troubleshooting. I take this opportunity to squirt some 2-stroke oil into both carbs (my addiction, every time I touch/use my motor).

If there is no fuel to the cylinder due to a gummed carburetor, the cylinder won't fire and a new plug will not improve the condition. No fire = a spark plug that is cold to the touch. Some pre-mix in a squirt bottle is used to determine which carburetor is dry, by squirting some 1oz oil/32oz gas , or 1liter/32liter , or 1ml/32ml PREMIX(gas+OIL) into each carburetor, and wait for the dead cylinder to begin firing, this doesn't take long but you must give it a good squirt or two, 5 drops doesn't count. when the cylinder begins to fire you will notice a nice improvement in RPM and smoothness, the sexy sound instantly becomes orgasmic smoking! :)

I say use pre-mix instead of straight gas b/c your motor does not receive oil lubrication unless you give it oil, the oil film is important to reduce the coefficient of dynamic friction and avoid scoring damage.

The word of today is oil.

The reason your first compression test results stank like a mangy moose in spring, is b/c of corrosion in the cylinders causing lack of piston ring sealing, this is because there was not enough _____ (insert word of day) in the cylinders during the storage period. How much ______ (insert word of day) have you added to the crankcase since this moose was put away hot and wet last year, just 5 drops to the top of each piston x 2 = 10 metric(droplet units are not the focus of this concept) drops?

Put some (word of the day) in a clean shampoo bottle and squirt a good amount into each carburetor, ~10,000 drops will help to avoid damage, this is about a shot glass full into each carb.

"Lube it up or risk losing a motor"(Smoky the sexy bear quote), fresh spark plugs are cheap and motors are not. It's a 2-stroke and 2-strokes were born smokers, you are obligated to support the cause by showing occasional enthusiasm for the smoke!

Oh, 1/3 choke applied? choke is a concept, not a unit, full choke/cranking seconds is almost a unit of measurement. I also use my throttle accelerator pump to prime, it's straight gas though, not pre-mix, so doesn't count towards lubrication.
 
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It is really a task to find the right gap spark plug.
Just found out the one I am using is NGK BR8ES-SOLID gap is 0.032"(0.8mm).

From Canadian Tire compatible list I found out the correct part number is BR8EIX-SOLID,gap is 0.020".

The one I am using has a flat top. The 0.020" one has a sharpie top as shown in the picture
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It is really a task to find the right gap spark plug.
Just found out the one I am using is NGK BR8ES-SOLID gap is 0.032"(0.8mm).

From Canadian Tire compatible list I found out the correct part number is BR8EIX-SOLID,gap is 0.020".

The one I am using has a flat top. The 0.020" one has a sharpie top as shown in the picture
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You manually adjust the gap by spreading it apart. They come gapped to a default, but you can (and should) change it as required. You can buy a gap tool or just use something to pry it apart.
 
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I believe that SOLID plug has the one-piece top, not screw-on connector. This is a better plug configuration than the screw-on connector.

Adjust as USAF advised, also while you're there, pick up a 0.020 gap gauge so you can adjust the gap to the specification by bending the ground electrode. Always check this b/c you should not trust they come correctly gaped, especially if they are mishandled, it's better to check and adjust them yourself

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My DIY spark plug gap tuning tool:

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Latest Report with brand new spark plug adjusted to 0.020" gap:
Minimum throttle, no choke, pressed the start button, motor started in 2 seconds. Speed 1300RPM.
Here is the video for the test:
[video=youtube_share;RD9M_orq3sg]http://youtu.be/RD9M_orq3sg[/video]

I did this 10 seconds run twice in a row, and touched the engine head, both PTO side and MAG side are a little warm.

Please let me know if it sounds right at least :-D
 
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Sounds good. Close it up and dunk it in the lake and give it a spin.

I lost one of the drain plugs last fall. Need to find one locally if don't want to pick up one at the other side of the border.

Maybe I can find one at homedepot plumbing department. :-D

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Latest Report with brand new spark plug adjusted to 0.020" gap:
Minimum throttle, no choke, pressed the start button, motor started in 2 seconds. Speed 1300RPM.
Here is the video for the test:
[video=youtube_share;RD9M_orq3sg]http://youtu.be/RD9M_orq3sg[/video]

I did this 10 seconds run twice in a row, and touched the engine head, both PTO side and MAG side are a little warm.

Please let me know if it sounds right at least :-D

If both are warm and the idle seems smooth, perhaps both cylinders are firing. 1300RPM on the trailer is too low though, you should adjust the idle to 3000~3200 RPM by turning the single screw on MAG carb butterfly inward to increase the speed. Idle speed in water will drop by approximately 1/2 of this to 1400+/-100, ie:<= 1500RPM in water due to the pump will be filled with water. An idle speed too low will cause frequent stalling in the water, test final adjustment in water.
 
Before I adjust the screw, can I use the throttle to see if the motor will goto 3000 RPM?


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Of course you can do this, I see no reason why not?

OK, I will do that in the morning.
Just wasn't so confident doing it by myself. :-D

I did push the throttle up a little (1/8 maybe), the RPM didn't change, but I didn't try more :blush:

I guess I am going to "rev" it up for a moment tomorrow then. No water for a moment is OK?
 
Ok. Today's report. And I think I found something.
The motor will go to 3000RPM when I push the throttle over 50%.
So I asked my wife to help moving the throttle and I was watching the throttle plate and the "bar" underneath the air silencer.
I found that between 0 to 50% throttle, the plate and bar don't move.
Is it the problem? Cable loose?


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You will have to adjust your throttle cable, at the same time, you should adjust the parking cable (from steering wheel to carbs) when you turn the steering the rpm should go up about 1/4 open
 
Thanks for the help from Canada. Yeah!
I remember seeing the parking cable kind of "linked" with the throttle.


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When you adjust the throttle cable, make sure that when you are full throttle, it's not pulling too hard on the carb if it's fully open
 
Thanks for the help from Canada. Yeah!
I remember seeing the parking cable kind of "linked" with the throttle.


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No prob! Im not the best but I had to change the cable on mine last week, so When I can help, im here!
 
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