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RESTO Project Dog House: 1996 Challenger

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Sorry to hear that, but yeah if it's not fun and you can't trust it on the water better to get rid of it. Since you bought it so cheap and did the work yourself hopefully you'll make a little money on the deal.

I sure hope I can make a little, as I've lost income by putting too much time into this project.
My task now is to make the boat as right as possible so I can sell it with a clear conscience.
I hope that doesn't take too many hours.
 
:( Sorry to hear that RJ. I'm starting to feel the same way about my boat too. In fact, some months back, I bought a new trolling motor and keep it in my foot locker in case my engine dies. These boats are impossible to propel with oars. I know what you mean about not trusting it and being stressed out taking it out. That's not what a boat is for. Unlike you however, I'm stuck with mine as it's the biggest boat I can tow. It's not getting as much action these days because it's jet ski weather again. Once it cools down again, I'll find my gremlins and torture them slowly before killing them. You should sell this challenger and get a 4 stroke boat. My buddy had a speedster and had very few issues with it. I guess the name of the boat is its curse. One Challenge after another...
 
You should sell this challenger and get a 4 stroke boat. My buddy had a speedster and had very few issues with it. I guess the name of the boat is its curse. One Challenge after another...

I hear ya, and I would actually like to have a working, reliable "toy" boat. Maybe some day I'll be in the right position to take another stab at something like this.
 
:( Sorry to hear that RJ. I'm starting to feel the same way about my boat too. In fact, some months back, I bought a new trolling motor and keep it in my foot locker in case my engine dies. These boats are impossible to propel with oars. I know what you mean about not trusting it and being stressed out taking it out. That's not what a boat is for. Unlike you however, I'm stuck with mine as it's the biggest boat I can tow. It's not getting as much action these days because it's jet ski weather again. Once it cools down again, I'll find my gremlins and torture them slowly before killing them. You should sell this challenger and get a 4 stroke boat. My buddy had a speedster and had very few issues with it. I guess the name of the boat is its curse. One Challenge after another...

well that`s why I have over 550 hours and 3x the price tag into ours. It`s as reliable as it`s going to get...
4 stroke boats are no different, as Tony will tell ya, the boat/hull itself is all generic boat parts, just the drive and electronics for the engines "were" BRP... the reason you don`t see as many failures with the SC`ers on the speedsters is that they do not "unhook and rehook" like the jet ski`s do, this action is what causes the clutches to go boom...
and as for maintenance, how`s about anywhere from 550.00 to 1100.00 to rebuild or replace the supercharger every 100 hours, now seapoo says 200, but we all know your not running those bearings for 200 hours...

Challenger, well not really a challenge to me, maybe for some, it`s just another "gal" to keep spending money on...

someday people will realize that owning a boat cost money and is not one of those "toys" that only can get ridden once in a while, that`s what causes issues... well unless your Rockefeller...:lols:

My friend bought a smokin 40ft fountain with 525 tripps, the drives alone are worth more than 5 challengers, and it cost dam near 10K to redo the whole dash/gauge clusters, lol, but his prestine race boat sits on the boat lift year after year bc it cost 1700.00 to fill the tank, and he can`t even go for a short blast without it costing a few hundred... dam those superchargers, hahahahahahaha
 
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ever figure out what happened to it yet RJ? the one time I had a motor eat an RV gear was when the needle bearings let go. a needle lodged itself in the RV plate and jammed up the works. some also showered into the cylinder and killed a piston and gouged a sleeve. it was a mess!
 
ever figure out what happened to it yet RJ? the one time I had a motor eat an RV gear was when the needle bearings let go. a needle lodged itself in the RV plate and jammed up the works. some also showered into the cylinder and killed a piston and gouged a sleeve. it was a mess!

Nope. I paddled the boat to the ramp to put it on the trailer and pulled it home. I haven't even taken the cover off of it yet... been too busy with other stuff.

Each of the past 2 nights I planned to pull the engine, but was too tired by the time I had all of my other things done that HAD to get done. I need to do it tonight, even if it means being up too late.

BTW, here is what Tom at SES sent me yesterday via email:
"I'm building a fresh engine so when yours arrives will send this one out with in a few days!"
 
Maybe third time's the charm? I just got a new 14.5/21.5 Skat Trak prop for my challenger. Will see if this finally solves my cavitation mystery. Fingers crossed!
 
Tom at SES says that the new engine will go out Weds, so I should have it Friday.
Not sure how this will work out, as I am busy after work Friday until about 8:30 or 9pm. I'd really like to take the Challenger to the lake for the weekend, but don't think I want to stay up half the night... AGAIN.
The install may have to wait for the following week... although i'm going to be really busy that week as well.
Ugh! I really needed to have this boat right a month or so ago.

Also, Tom said that he hated to hear that I plan to sell the Challenger and urged me to give the new engine a chance before I sell it. He said he has one and it was a bear to get it right, but that it is too much fun now that everything works.
Honestly, I'm torn. Ultimately, I think I want a little bit larger boat that won't get beat around so much in wake and chop, and I want 2 engines to get out of the hole better and to limp home, if needed.
I'm still likely to finish and sell the Challenger quickly, and may look for my ideal jet boat to get in the future.
 
Tom at SES says that the new engine will go out Weds, so I should have it Friday.
Not sure how this will work out, as I am busy after work Friday until about 8:30 or 9pm. I'd really like to take the Challenger to the lake for the weekend, but don't think I want to stay up half the night... AGAIN.
The install may have to wait for the following week... although i'm going to be really busy that week as well.
Ugh! I really needed to have this boat right a month or so ago.

Also, Tom said that he hated to hear that I plan to sell the Challenger and urged me to give the new engine a chance before I sell it. He said he has one and it was a bear to get it right, but that it is too much fun now that everything works.
Honestly, I'm torn. Ultimately, I think I want a little bit larger boat that won't get beat around so much in wake and chop, and I want 2 engines to get out of the hole better and to limp home, if needed.
I'm still likely to finish and sell the Challenger quickly, and may look for my ideal jet boat to get in the future.

one word> YAMAHA!:thumbsup:

HA, and discovered today that you can get beer at FoodLion! hahahhahahaha
 
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one word> YAMAHA!:thumbsup:

HA, and discovered today that you can get beer at FoodLion! hahahhahahaha

:lol::ban:
(not suggesting a ban... just acknowledging that this is a partisan SD crowd) :rolleyes:
Ah, yes. You found the kitty. Some people around here think of FoodLion as a 2nd rate grocery store. I like it, personally. Never been a fan of the fancier HarrisTeeter because Everything costs more.
 
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Tom called this morning to ask if I was planning to install the engine this weekend, as he had an opening come up on the dyno and he wants to put my new 787 on there to test run it before sending it to me so that he is POSITIVE that this one is working right. He says that I'll still have some break-in to do, but that he'll do most of it for me. He was going to ship it today, which should mean I receive it on Friday. I'm tied up in our monthly Instructor's class at the martial arts school this Friday night, so I wasn't sure that I would want to stay up all night to install it Friday night anyway. I said that it was fine to put it on the dyno. He said I should expect to receive it on Tuesday of next week. Not sure i'll be able to install next week either, as I am in the midst of testing for my next level of black belt, and I'll be busy prepping for that test all week, and testing next Friday night.
 
:lol::ban:
(not suggesting a ban... just acknowledging that this is a partisan SD crowd) :rolleyes:
Ah, yes. You found the kitty. Some people around here think of FoodLion as a 2nd rate grocery store. I like it, personally. Never been a fan of the fancier HarrisTeeter because Everything costs more.

hahahhaha, hahahhaah, ban me!? hahahahahahah, I spend way to much time on the net now!:facepalm::lols:

besides I only know what I know...

when you experience failures from either others peoples errors, or just manufacturers production issues you get to decipher which brand actually has a better product, given they are cared for.

I`ve suffered the 951DI gremlins when brand new, the all to famous supercharger clutch debacle in the 4tecs, and the famous ring snagging the exhaust port in the Yami 1300. but I call it as I see it and yamaha`s designs are just that much more appealing and trouble free...IMHO...
also have history with spending plenty of aftermarket mods as they were being released for the 4tec way back when and def had a modded fast GTXsc for it`s day... the following year the RXT came along and with just a pitch change and FA, it beat me by 1 mph, dam.... but the GTX was a fun machine to mod with 215 ecu/knock sensor pigtail update, Rive Gen I wheel, and Vortech Marine/Riva intercooler with "separate water cooling source", first Rive then switched to Rotax racing/MU custom mandrel bent exhaust, Autometer liquid filled boost gauge in the mirror housing way before anyone came out with the "PODS"..., UMI steering.Pro Taper bars, custom grips, SKAT tripple bearing mod to the pump, skat and solas impellers, yup and the list goes on and on and on... But the most fun I had on any ski was my modded GP1300R!

not bashing SeaPoo in any way, every brand has it`s pro`s and con`s, and our boats are 15+ years old, so it is what it is...:D
 
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RJ, where ya been man!!!:seeya:

Me?
Workin'
This damned boat has taken so much of my time that I got behind on work stuff.
With the engine back at SES again, I chose to get caught up on some of the things that pay the bills instead of hanging out in the forum. :(
Well, that and I am testing for the next level of black belt (month 3 out of 5 months of testing) and needed to make time to prepare for the test this Friday.

Great news!
SES sent me a different engine and it arrived today.
Not so great news! Either someone at SES or UPS must have dropped it, as I found a piece of one of the bottom standoffs in the bottom of the shipping container, and the starter housing is dented and cracked.
So, it will go back in the crate and back to SES tomorrow.
Pictures:
Partially crushed stand-off with the missing piece sitting to the right
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I've lost count... how many times have I shipped the Challenger engine since I bought it in December?
lets see...
1) first rebuild after I bought the boat.
2) after I left the carb gasket crooked and fried the top end
3) after the bottom end locked up
4) after the rotary valve died
and now 5) because it arrived damaged

I wish UPS had some sort of rewards program.
I would have earned a trip to Hawaii by now.

You know, at this point, I'm not even surprised when this sort of crap happens. I've come to expect it.
And still, I can't wait to drive the boat again.
I'm a special kind of stupid, I guess. :nopity:

Oh, and the rotary valve failed because some sort of sliver of black metal got wedged in it.
Tom said that everything else was fine. He said it wasn't magnetic, but was too hard to be aluminum.
He sent me a picture via text message and I didn't have any idea what black metal sliver was from... didn't look familiar to me at all. I probably don't, but maybe I still have the pic on my phone.... I'll look tomorrow.
I had run it something like 14 or 15 hours and had not taken off the air box or spark arrestor. So I'm baffled on how something could have gotten in there and jammed up the RV. I meticulously cleaned EVERYTHING before putting it back together for installation.

BTW... I emailed Tom at SES the pictures above. He called me and said I could try to dremmel out the hole to make the starter fit or send it back. He said he could send me a new housing, but that the main seal is behind it, so he would rather get the whole thing back so he can pressure test it before I install it.
I was leaning towards getting out my die grinder and trying to make the starter fit, but since the plan is to drive it enough to be sure that it works, then sell it, I don't want a shoddy repair in there that might bite the next person.

If anyone hears a loud, long scream echoing in the distance Saturday or Sunday, it likely means that I've had an issue the GTX DI.
I test rode it for a few minutes last Sunday and it was perfect... which I am learning means that something bad is about to happen. Anyhow, I didn't have the right hitch ball to tow it, and couldn't find one (1 7/8") to borrow, so I just test rode it and put it back on the trailer to pick up at the shop this Saturday morning.
I pretty much quit drinking about 12 years ago when I was flying a lot of search and rescue and was on call 24/7. However, I think I'll pick up a 12 pack of something strong and take it to the lake with me this weekend. That way, when something breaks I'll be ready.
 
wow! man you just can`t win:facepalm:
I have some stories for you that will make your issues seem insignificant, well, lessen the pain at least :facepalm:
when you have the time look me up...;)

I ordered an OTC 3.5 ton floor jack, a big beast from summit racing and checked tracking, it`s been to at least 6-7 stop overs from Ohio to NC! I`m hoping it makes it here alive and well...

as for your engine, well at least Tom will take care of it and send out yet another...:thumbsup: true, get it right now so no more issues later... Good luck Homie!:cheers:

as far as the booze, well I`m not a big drinker at all, but I`ll have a beer for ya! if that helps any...:p
 
That is obviously a shipping fault. That engine should've been insured if Tom did his due diligence, in which case he should get compensated the full cost of the motor. That's IF UPS deems his case a viable shipping container.
 
That is obviously a shipping fault. That engine should've been insured if Tom did his due diligence, in which case he should get compensated the full cost of the motor. That's IF UPS deems his case a viable shipping container.

I don't know. Before I sealed it up for UPS to pick up today, I looked at the shipping crate and the foam that the engine was sitting on. I don't see how the housing could have gotten cracked in shipping. For that to happen, the foam surrounding it would have been crushed... and it wasn't. Looks more likely that it got banged around at SES before it went in the crate. I mentioned this in the email to Tom saying that it is waiting for UPS to pick it up today, and he was adamant in his reply that it had to have happened in shipping.

And I checked... the pic of the RV damage is no longer on my phone.
 
Well, UPS says that the engine will arrive today. Sure hope it is intact this time.

Not sure when I'll reinstall. Should do it tonight so I can take it the boat this weekend, but not really feeling like working on the boat right now... which is interesting because I just ordered an upholstery kit from Keith at seadooupholstery.com
I'm sure I won't feel like installing that when it arrives either, but it should increase the resale value of the boat significantly, as the old upholstery and missing rub rail are the only glaring cosmetic issues. I'm afraid that I'll have too much trouble trying to sell it without either a) those 2 things being addressed, or b) taking a huge hit on the price (I'm guessing about $800-$1k).

Also ordered a new Blacktip seat cover for the GTX DI, as the grey seat cover on that is dry rotting. Not really worried about that one, as it should be comparatively easy to install. And, btw, the GTX DI ran perfect last weekend. :)
I'll have to track down and order rub rail later... off to a meeting now.
 
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Stayed up most of the night Friday installing the engine. A bit over 4 hours on it so far with no issues. :)
Yet
 
awesome RJ! now enjoy the boat!

Thanks, Andy. I did.
You know it is a good weekend at the lake when I don't really have time to post anything on here. :)

I have to admit that my heart sank once Sunday morning when, with about 3 hours on the engine, we (me and 2 of my kids) set off for the 10 minute ride from our marina to see my brother at the house he shares with my parents and his wife's parents. This is the same quick ride that my father and I set off on a couple of months ago when the bottom end gave out and we had to call Sea Tow to tow us back to the dock in the dark, with 37 mph winds blowing. At the same place that the engine quite on what we now refer to as "Sea Tow night", the engine quite. The same thing happened a few weeks ago when passing that same spot, but I had knocked the DESS key loose as we bounced in the wake (busy, rough area). This time the key appeared to be in place and my mind raced to all the worst possibilities. I thought I was going to throw up.
Then my daughter, who was sitting at the front, said, in her best "duh!" voice, "Dad, can't you see that the key is almost all the way off of the post? I can see the silver ring!".
So, I pushed down on the key and heard 2 chirps.... I guess she was right.
Aside from 4 other times when I inadvertently knocked the key off, it ran reliably and got us back to the dock every time.
Seriously, I think that the 2.5 foot string that I hook the key to my life jacket with needs replaced with one of those coiled bungee cords, as I knock the key off the post at least once each time we go out.
 
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