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So I'm going ahead with a rebuild of the starboard engine the portside has perfect compression 150,150 I am going with oversized piston and boar along with a new crank and converting Bolth engines to premix. A friend of my said that bolth engines need to be equally board so they Match up power wise is this true he is not a mechanic but has had skis and boats so he's somewhat knowledgable but I value your advise much higher plus it didn't make sense to tear into the good engine! Thanks!
 
So I'm going ahead with a rebuild of the starboard engine the portside has perfect compression 150,150 I am going with oversized piston and boar along with a new crank and converting Bolth engines to premix. A friend of my said that bolth engines need to be equally board so they Match up power wise is this true he is not a mechanic but has had skis and boats so he's somewhat knowledgable but I value your advise much higher plus it didn't make sense to tear into the good engine! Thanks!

NO, all cylinders in the same engine need to be the same bore to keep the power balanced and weight balanced.

if the other engine is 150 on PTO and Mag cylinder and it is running well, it can`t get any better than that...

your rebuild should yield the same compression numbers and HP/Tq output...
your only boring to clean up the jugs, not much power is gained with that minmal size and your not fueling a larger bore to build more power... so you will be fine...

are you going with a SBT cylinder exchange program?
 
NO, all cylinders in the same engine need to be the same bore to keep the power balanced and weight balanced.

if the other engine is 150 on PTO and Mag cylinder and it is running well, it can`t get any better than that...

your rebuild should yield the same compression numbers and HP/Tq output...
your only boring to clean up the jugs, not much power is gained with that minmal size and your not fueling a larger bore to build more power... so you will be fine...

are you going with a SBT cylinder exchange program?

Ok thanks that's what I figured I knew the cylinders in the same engine had to be the same but was unsure of the second engine thanks for clarifying that!

I was thinking of doing the boaring myself,I run a small cnc machine shop and have bored hundreds of holes but not engine cylinders plus I would have to buy a large boring tool big$ so I might go with this place or try it myself not sure yet I know it cant be honed because the scores are so deep so im afraid boring is my only option. http://www.fullboreonline.com/sea_doo_650_top_end_rebuild_kits.htm

They seem to be a alot cheaper than sbt but I have know idea if they are any good or not do you happen to know?
 
Ok thanks that's what I figured I knew the cylinders in the same engine had to be the same but was unsure of the second engine thanks for clarifying that!

I was thinking of doing the boaring myself,I run a small cnc machine shop and have bored hundreds of holes but not engine cylinders plus I would have to buy a large boring tool big$ so I might go with this place or try it myself not sure yet I know it cant be honed because the scores are so deep so im afraid boring is my only option. http://www.fullboreonline.com/sea_doo_650_top_end_rebuild_kits.htm

They seem to be a alot cheaper than sbt but I have know idea if they are any good or not do you happen to know?

I have no experience with fullbore...

you`d need to safely bore, allow for clearance with the chosen piston size. at this point you don`t know what it will take to clean up the bore...

SBT installs new liners into core cylinders and the guess work is already done accurately. plus the kits have Pistons, parts and gaskets... done...

the price point might be closer than you think when your done...

There are plenty who have used SBT here on this forum...

the funny thing about boats is, fix cheap, you get a cheap repair and it doesnt last...

you might find a good used set with pistons if you were looking to save the most...
 
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I have no experience with fullbore...

you`d need to safely bore, allow for clearance with the chosen piston size. at this point your don`t know what it will take to clean up the bore...

SBT installs new liners into core cylinders and the guess work is already done accurately. plus the kits has Pistons, parts and gaskets... done...

the price point might be closer than you think when your done...

There are plenty who have used SBT here on this forum...

the funny thing about boats is, fix cheap, you get a cheap repair and it doesnt last...

you might find a good used set with pistons if you were looking to save the most...

Ok thanks when your talking new liners and how accurate they have to be doing it myself is definatly out of they question so thanks for advise. Plus boreing is sort of a one shot deal if you have chatter on your last cut it can destroy the bore and I machine mostly aliminium wich is like cutting butter compared to steel.I have bought a lot of parts from SBT and I know they are a good reliable company so I will prob go that route

And yes taking out the guess work would be nice

your right cheap fixes don't last and with all the time and $ I'm going to put into I might as well do it right!
I guess when considering my options I tend to think cheap at first but I always just end up spending the $ :facepalm:

Thanks for the help!!
 
Ok thanks when your talking new liners and how accurate they have to be doing it myself is definatly out of they question so thanks for advise. Plus boreing is sort of a one shot deal if you have chatter on your last cut it can destroy the bore and I machine mostly aliminium wich is like cutting butter compared to steel.I have bought a lot of parts from SBT and I know they are a good reliable company so I will prob go that route

And yes taking out the guess work would be nice

your right cheap fixes don't last and with all the time and $ I'm going to put into I might as well do it right!
I guess when considering my options I tend to think cheap at first but I always just end up spending the $ :facepalm:

Thanks for the help!!

no problemo!

for instance:
Yahama 1300cc tripples use a nikasil coating on there jugs. It does not rust and is super hard. The Nikasil will last hundreds of hours as long as you don`t heat seize/cold seize or oil starve the engine, and based on the amount of aluminum stuck on the cylinder wall, you could probably get away with a bit of acid on a Q tip to clean the aluminum off...

anyway, I use a company called Millenium Technologies. There work is second to none!!!
I also bought the ProX pistons from them and they did all the machine and recoat.

I wish Bombardier was smart enough to do this to their jugs... I really cringe when the boat is shut down for only a couple of days and I find rusty cylinder walls...:facepalm:

prior to this Challenger I was eyeballing a Yamaha jet boat that was mint, but lacking in history from a car dealership... I was waiting for the price to drop for over a year and then the challenger came into play and I thought I was helping a buddy out with a financial problem, only to find out he didn`t need the money at all for his home renovation... so I got it in the pooper several times..

ok back to the Nikasil...

see for yourself...

This jug ate a piston ring, the locating pin wiggled loose, the ring spun and caught the exhaust port @ 7k rpms destroying
the piston and jug.
I was 13 miles from the dock, and after checking to see no holes in the case and no major leaks, I rode it back to the dock, which is what really heated up the small con rod end and piston ring lands.

They removed the Nikasil, welded the cylinder, bored it and re-nik`s the jug...

absolutely beautiful...

This ski ran 73 mph then I stopped chasing speed...:cheers:
BTW, it was around 1100.00 to do all 3 and w/piston kits...
 
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When you sleeve a cyl.... you still have to bore it. The OD will be ground to size, but the ID will be undersized by around 0.015" They do this because, if you get a warp or bulge... you can machine it out later. The only liners that come pre-sized, are press-in sleeves. (large diesel, and some gas)


Also... tell you buddy he's wrong. (on the sizing thing) A few thou on a cyl, isn't going to make a measurable power diff. AND... it's common practice to run different sized bores in the same engine. It may not be the best thing in the world... but it will get you running for less $$$$.



When you set a seadoo sleeve... you cut out the old one (carefully) and leave the cyl, about 0.004" smaller than the OD of the sleeve. Then, heat the cyl (bake it at 450 deg F for at least 45 min).... drop the sleeve into place.... wait about 10 seconds... and the cyl will cool, and grab the sleeve. Then, cut the deck, boar, hone, match the ports, and chamfer.

Simple. (lol)




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Pale: I've sent cyl's and heads to Millennium a few times. They do good work. I've done a few chrome jugs at my shop. They are a total pain... so I decided to send them out. I would have to weld them up, cut them about 0.0005" small.... and then I would send them out for hard chrome.

I don't like keeping those kinds of tolerances. (it's a pain)
 
Pale: I've sent cyl's and heads to Millennium a few times. They do good work. I've done a few chrome jugs at my shop. They are a total pain... so I decided to send them out. I would have to weld them up, cut them about 0.0005" small.... and then I would send them out for hard chrome.

I don't like keeping those kinds of tolerances. (it's a pain)

cool!

yeah, I was quite impressed with their service and turn around time was incredibly fast. I could not do an exchange bc they didn`t have any EFI non PV 1300 jugs in inventory... so glad I sent mine in anyway, no porosity bc the ski was used in fresh/brackish...
 
hey, that looks alot like your engine!...lol...

is that the one with the block repair?



Yep, it's the one in my Islandia. A bolt fell out of the cap, and pushed a rod out of the block. It was ugly, and I almost didn't rebuild it... but a new power-head, without a core would have cost me $6k or more.


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wow! I remembered those pics, you did an awesome job on the repair work!!!:thumbsup:

Now I may be looking into something else to have all my shiba`s and family aboard... possibly a pontoon...

That Islandia is sweet!:cheers:
 
When you sleeve a cyl.... you still have to bore it. The OD will be ground to size, but the ID will be undersized by around 0.015" They do this because, if you get a warp or bulge... you can machine it out later. The only liners that come pre-sized, are press-in sleeves. (large diesel, and some gas)


Also... tell you buddy he's wrong. (on the sizing thing) A few thou on a cyl, isn't going to make a measurable power diff. AND... it's common practice to run different sized bores in the same engine. It may not be the best thing in the world... but it will get you running for less $$$$.



When you set a seadoo sleeve... you cut out the old one (carefully) and leave the cyl, about 0.004" smaller than the OD of the sleeve. Then, heat the cyl (bake it at 450 deg F for at least 45 min).... drop the sleeve into place.... wait about 10 seconds... and the cyl will cool, and grab the sleeve. Then, cut the deck, boar, hone, match the ports, and chamfer.

Simple. (lol)




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Ok thanks it's funny I feel like I'm at work looking at those pics is that your haas I run haas vf4.
It's doesn't seem all that complicated but the first time doing it would be a little nerve racking.
So basically the sleave is pressed and then boared out that makes sense.
 
no problemo!

for instance:
Yahama 1300cc tripples use a nikasil coating on there jugs. It does not rust and is super hard. The Nikasil will last hundreds of hours as long as you don`t heat seize/cold seize or oil starve the engine, and based on the amount of aluminum stuck on the cylinder wall, you could probably get away with a bit of acid on a Q tip to clean the aluminum off...

anyway, I use a company called Millenium Technologies. There work is second to none!!!
I also bought the ProX pistons from them and they did all the machine and recoat.

I wish Bombardier was smart enough to do this to their jugs... I really cringe when the boat is shut down for only a couple of days and I find rusty cylinder walls...:facepalm:

prior to this Challenger I was eyeballing a Yamaha jet boat that was mint, but lacking in history from a car dealership... I was waiting for the price to drop for over a year and then the challenger came into play and I thought I was helping a buddy out with a financial problem, only to find out he didn`t need the money at all for his home renovation... so I got it in the pooper several times..

ok back to the Nikasil...

see for yourself...

This jug ate a piston ring, the locating pin wiggled loose, the ring spun and caught the exhaust port @ 7k rpms destroying
the piston and jug.
I was 13 miles from the dock, and after checking to see no holes in the case and no major leaks, I rode it back to the dock, which is what really heated up the small con rod end and piston ring lands.

They removed the Nikasil, welded the cylinder, bored it and re-nik`s the jug...

absolutely beautiful...

This ski ran 73 mph then I stopped chasing speed...:cheers:
BTW, it was around 1100.00 to do all 3 and w/piston kits...

Wow 1100.00 and i'm complaining about 400.00! That piston looks horrible it's crazy how much damage a busted ring can do!
 
Wow 1100.00 and i'm complaining about 400.00! That piston looks horrible it's crazy how much damage a busted ring can do!
well the trip back to the ramp at 6k didn`t help matters... My Yamaha never left me stranded... I did however write a Poem called seapoo, it was pretty famous on the GH forums... hahahahaha:lols::leaving:

the end result was well worth it! new OEM crank, new OEM head (back to stock compression) the works...
 
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Seapoo! LOL! I feel your pain!

from 2006:


A Poem by: ...PR...

SeaPoo SeaPoo Why don`t you behave
SeaPoo SeaPoo You treat me like a slave

SeaPoo SeaPoo Your always breaking down
SeaPoo SeaPoo Please don`t let me drown

SeaPoo SeaPoo Your not fun anymore
SeaPoo SeaPoo Your a POS to the Core

SeaPoo SeaPoo Why did they design your clutches this way
SeaPoo SeaPoo Bombardier Engineers must be really gay

SeaPoo SeaPoo I`m going to drag you out to Sea
SeaPoo SeaPoo Then I will finally be Free!!!

Oh well ...PR...

just google a Poem by PR on GH and you`ll find the thread, it is hysterical...
 
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ok, I`m going to get banned now...:facepalm:

some others from the same thread, laugh on!



Yuletide Yamalog

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the blog,
Not a creature was stirring, just a slow Yamalog;

The power valves were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes they wouldn't explode and give us a scare;

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of SEA-DOOS danced in their heads;

And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
We just bought a SHO, now the pump tunnel took a crap!

When out on the lake there arose such a clatter,
I looked to the dock to see what was the matter.

Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the water reflected something pink,
I couldn't imagine, now what is that stink,

When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a blown up Yamalog, and upon it a queer!!!





Sea-Doo Bedtime prayer...


Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray Thee, Lord, my carbon seal won't leak.
If I should ride before It breaks.
I pray Thee, Lord, my hull won't de-laminate.
And this I ask for Jesus' sake.
Please don't let my ceramic washers disintegrate.
Amen

Do you hear what I hear
Is that a boost leak on your kawi?
Do you hear what I hear
are those pump bearings going to explode?
Do you hear what I hear?
Is that a connecting rod about to let go?
a belt a belt, oh that frightful sound
hold onto something you might drown
Do you hear what I hear
here comes the sea tow boat again!
Do you hear what I hear
money from your wallet you will spend...



Sea Poo is great, Sea Poo is fast
Sea Poo made sure my washers wont last
The charger gave out and left me stranded
Thats when it hit me, reality landed
This ski isn't as great as the salesman said
Could be buying gas, but I buy parts instead
Not the go fast type, just replacing the failures
I find myself grumpy, stressed and curse like a sailor
So now its all fixed I'm on the water again
I wont dare go out alone so I invited a friend
I notice the ski is sinking, this sucks for real
I read about it and it happened, a blown RAD4 seal
I'm angry and frustrated, I'm tired of this grief
This P.O.S. Sea Poo is now a new artificial reef.



The Twelve Days of Christmas

On the first day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
A burned up Carbon Seal.

On the second day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the third day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the fourth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the fifth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the sixth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the seventh day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the eighth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the ninth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Nine rolls of Duct Tape (for you conversion guys)
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the tenth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the Eleventh day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Eleven shattered retainers,
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the Twelfth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Twelve Bent Valves,
Eleven shattered retainers,
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.
 
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ok, I`m going to get banned now...:facepalm:

some others from the same thread, laugh on!


Yuletide Yamalog

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the blog,
Not a creature was stirring, just a slow Yamalog;

The power valves were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes they wouldn't explode and give us a scare;

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of SEA-DOOS danced in their heads;

And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
We just bought a SHO, now the pump tunnel took a crap!

When out on the lake there arose such a clatter,
I looked to the dock to see what was the matter.

Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the water reflected something pink,
I couldn't imagine, now what is that stink,

When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a blown up Yamalog, and upon it a queer!!!





Sea-Doo Bedtime prayer...


Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray Thee, Lord, my carbon seal won't leak.
If I should ride before It breaks.
I pray Thee, Lord, my hull won't de-laminate.
And this I ask for Jesus' sake.
Please don't let my ceramic washers disintegrate.
Amen

Do you hear what I hear
Is that a boost leak on your kawi?
Do you hear what I hear
are those pump bearings going to explode?
Do you hear what I hear?
Is that a connecting rod about to let go?
a belt a belt, oh that frightful sound
hold onto something you might drown
Do you hear what I hear
here comes the sea tow boat again!
Do you hear what I hear
money from your wallet you will spend...



Sea Poo is great, Sea Poo is fast
Sea Poo made sure my washers wont last
The charger gave out and left me stranded
Thats when it hit me, reality landed
This ski isn't as great as the salesman said
Could be buying gas, but I buy parts instead
Not the go fast type, just replacing the failures
I find myself grumpy, stressed and curse like a sailor
So now its all fixed I'm on the water again
I wont dare go out alone so I invited a friend
I notice the ski is sinking, this sucks for real
I read about it and it happened, a blown RAD4 seal
I'm angry and frustrated, I'm tired of this grief
This P.O.S. Sea Poo is now a new artificial reef.



The Twelve Days of Christmas

On the first day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
A burned up Carbon Seal.

On the second day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the third day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the fourth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the fifth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the sixth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the seventh day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the eighth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the ninth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Nine rolls of Duct Tape (for you conversion guys)
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the tenth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the Eleventh day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Eleven shattered retainers,
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.

On the Twelfth day of Christmas,
my Sea Doo gave to me
Twelve Bent Valves,
Eleven shattered retainers,
Ten missing needle bearings,
Nine rolls of Duct Tape,
Eight pounds of slip,
Seven leaking hoses,
Six broken T-Clamps,
FIVE ERROR CODES,
Four bent blades,
Three bad injectors,
Two glazed up clutches,
And a burned up Carbon Seal.
Awesome! Can't wait till next summer to beak down at the lake,good times!!!!!
 
Awesome! Can't wait till next summer to beak down at the lake,good times!!!!!

the sad thing is I always have that notion in the back of my head when out boating... regardless of how well anything is built... a stinkin plastic bag, or rogue fishing line, or someones anchor rope can ruin your day... beside mechanical breakdown... yikes!...
 
LOL, Andy you'd never ride with me on the Speedster. I roll with a full tank of gas, 4 extra spark plugs, a 3/8" ratchet, 13/16 deep socket, and a medium adjustable wrench. I've limped back 3 times on one engine in 14 years of ownership. Hell, on my recently finished XP I only carried a bottle of Gatorade all season, and on the HX--nothing but a dock line. Now the truck on the other hand has a scad of extra Seadoo parts and a shatload of tools. If I'm loosing a toy I don't want my tools to go with it, LOL. I think the more I would carry the more concerned the wife and kids would be that were not making it back.
 
the sad thing is I always have that notion in the back of my head when out boating... regardless of how well anything is built... a stinkin plastic bag, or rogue fishing line, or someones anchor rope can ruin your day... beside mechanical breakdown... yikes!...
Very true! I guess it's just part of the deal.

Funny thing is I think were all gluttons for punishment because we all keep buying used boats and skis and wrenching on them,actually like you were saying regardless of equipment failers there is always Murphy's law.

this is actualy my second boat my first boat I shared with a buddy we ended up buying 17 foot 89 sunbird with a four cylinder cobra that we bought on eBay for 3,500 Long story short it wasn't winterized properly by the po and it hydro locked blowing the conencting rod out into the crank destroyed the whole engine first time out. My buddy ended up doing all the work on it,we had conflicting work scheduling so I never got to learn how to do any of the work,anyway we ended up getting a new crank new pistons basically a compleat rebuild so after putting anther $2500 into a boat that wasn't even worth 2,000 we decided to sell because he worked so much and never had time to take it out. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment because I went out and bought the seapoo two weeks after we sold the sunbird.My son had his heart set on getting out on the lake so in retrospect it's all about getting the family out and having a good time even if it kills us!!!!
 
LOL, Andy you'd never ride with me on the Speedster. I roll with a full tank of gas, 4 extra spark plugs, a 3/8" ratchet, 13/16 deep socket, and a medium adjustable wrench. I've limped back 3 times on one engine in 14 years of ownership. Hell, on my recently finished XP I only carried a bottle of Gatorade all season, and on the HX--nothing but a dock line. Now the truck on the other hand has a scad of extra Seadoo parts and a shatload of tools. If I'm loosing a toy I don't want my tools to go with it, LOL. I think the more I would carry the more concerned the wife and kids would be that were not making it back.

hahaha sure I would!!!:willy_nilly::lols: I carry a canvas bag with clamps, zips, hose, most common sockets/tools, drivers, electrical tape, small bailing bucket (not that it would do any good), emergency air horn, emergency flag etc etc, and that`s besides all the necc items one should have while underway... VHF, anchor, rope etc...

Very true! I guess it's just part of the deal.

Funny thing is I think were all gluttons for punishment because we all keep buying used boats and skis and wrenching on them,actually like you were saying regardless of equipment failers there is always Murphy's law.

this is actualy my second boat my first boat I shared with a buddy we ended up buying 17 foot 89 sunbird with a four cylinder cobra that we bought on eBay for 3,500 Long story short it wasn't winterized properly by the po and it hydro locked blowing the conencting rod out into the crank destroyed the whole engine first time out. My buddy ended up doing all the work on it,we had conflicting work scheduling so I never got to learn how to do any of the work,anyway we ended up getting a new crank new pistons basically a compleat rebuild so after putting anther $2500 into a boat that wasn't even worth 2,000 we decided to sell because he worked so much and never had time to take it out. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment because I went out and bought the seapoo two weeks after we sold the sunbird.My son had his heart set on getting out on the lake so in retrospect it's all about getting the family out and having a good time even if it kills us!!!!

that`s the best part right there, enjoying time with the family on the water...
I`ve limped back to the dock twice since owning this beauty. both times were driveline related in one way or another...

another reason why I would like a pontoon, for just hanging out with plenty of room... 3 dogs now, so we`ll see how it goes next season...:lols:
 
Yea, on the Doo, I never truly feel like I can trust it. Hence, I bought a brand new trolling motor which permenantly resides in my ski locker :thumbsup: Rowing one of these boats is a joke!
 
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