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Karl
I agree I would have never taken it off the lot like this, but the Dealership is over 100 miles so with all the other problems they came and got the boat and delivered it to me and this last time BRP thru in a cover so it was on it and I didn't have time when they got here to go over it had to get back to work. This is the second time the they have had the boat now to fix things

I sent the manual back with the delivery guy to get them to fill it out where they had finished the servicesw and winterizing, cam anybody tell me doesn't the winterizing part remove the shocks off the engine cause all i see is that they pulled the battery?
 
You didn't have to return the service book back ...just kept the receipt with the service book. What shocks on the engine are you talking about...the hood props?

Karl
 
yea the ones that hold up the lid. I just got a e mail back from the dealers Service Consultant and wanted to know when they could come get it for the third time? Told them I didn't want the same people working on it and what are they going to do about the diminished value now the there are scratches all over?
 
I would take pictures and document everything you need corrected. Pictures tell a thousand words. You could even give them copies of the pictures so you know they know what to repair. Then there are no excuses as to "oh we didn't realize that was a problem", and something gets over looked. I would even take pictures of the delivery guy. Pictures are intimidating, like your preparing for a court issues and get results.

Sometimes the props don't need to come off to get to the engine to winterize... but it does help. The battery should have just been disconnected but not necessary. Most winterizing can be done with out climbing in the hull area if done correctly. I doubt this dealer can do anything correctly from the sounds of things.

Keep us posted.

Karl
 
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Dealer

I know this post is a little long but just wanted to keep it up so that when someone from Sea Doo get on here they can see it. As got the boat back yet again from the dealer last week. Well this past weekend was the first time i had to look it over. The Glove box istill not fix he said that the lid is now on back order for 6 months? Well cleaning the boat I turn the radio on and put in a cd but all it will do is play it in fast forward unless I hold in the eject button. So after cleaning I placed all the seats back in and one of the new one her replace (behind the Captain seat) the straps are to short they won't reach the snaps? So I Emailed in and let him know how tired I was that ever time I get it back there is 2 more things wrong and here is his reply.

Tony,
I just spoke with BRP regarding your boat. I have asked them to transfer your claim to another dealer. We have done all we can to fix the problems associated with your boat. You will need to contact the JOA Marine location of your choice. They have several locations in your area. They will be able to see the previous warranty claims on your boat and address any new issues.
There is not a warranty allowance for our personnel or vehicle allowances to continue picking your boat up for each new problem, nor is there an allowance for tire, trailer or travel wear for you boat. I cannot continue to incur the cost associated with that, and as you stated you are incurring wear and tear on your boat and trailer.
To address the parts comment, some of the parts were taken off of brand new boats to fix those problems. These parts were taken in lieu of extremely long back order release date. Some of the parts are listed on previous repair orders as ordered and since came in. Any parts that we receive in the mean time will be forwarded to the servicing dealer. I will need to know which location you choose.
I have left a message with Jensen regarding your stereo but have not heard back. I will forward your information on to them and the dealer information of who will be taking care of your boat when I hear from them.
The straps are tight on the seat, but they do reach.
I hope these items are fixed to your satisfaction at some point and you and your family can enjoy this boat.

Regards,

Charles Smith
Smith Powersports
1433 Hwy 64 W
Hayesville, NC 28904
(800) 549-6009 Toll Free
(828) 389-1429 Fax
www.smithpowersports.net

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I guess its to much to ask that a $50,000 boat have everything fixed and with a level of satisfaction of a NEW boat.
 
TVZ that is F**KING BULL **** if that dealer would get his head out of his *** and fix the boat right the first time and make sure its fixed right befor giving it back to you then they wouldnt have to KEEP picking it up to fix it. Call BRP talk to the highest perdon there that you can and demand a new boat or your monay back. You should not have to deal with this kind of service. I also think BRP should tell smith to fix the problem or dont buy are product as smiths is giving BRP a bad name. And you should also provide BRP with a link to this thread so they can see all the problems you and others have been having with boat bought from smiths. I know if you spend $50,000 on a new car the dealer will be more then glad to bend over for you it should be the same with a new $50,000 boat. Ive been thinking of getting a new rxp but if this is how BRP treat people that buy there pruducts new hell NO. and i can say ive had bad experiences with dealer's fixing my seadoo, nothing but problems and ill never deal with a seadoo dealer ever again. Oh and how many hrs do you think you put on this boat.
 
Wow. I am sorry. I understand how there might be an issue from the factory (and brp needs to be responsible) but all that shitty work on a new boat from the dealer? I would be pissed as hell. I wish you the best, but if boat dealer networks are like auto dealers, BRP will tell you to sue the dealer for the damage.... I hope it doesn't get to that.

Good luck.
 
i think the next phone call or email i'd be making, is to ...Johnny Cockran.

What a F'in bummer, man. Onced all this gets resolved, throw out there, have'n warranty "re-start" with this date of delivery....
 
Here's my take on the BRP deal. While I admit I have limited experience in this BRP world, I think BRP tries to support the customers but like any car manufactuerer, BRP isnt set up to handle the retail customer. Thats what the dealers are for. Now here we get into the heart of the matter. The "Dealer". BRP markets Seadoo products basically through motorcycle dealers opposed to real marine facilities. I'm not saying all Seadoo dealers are incompetant at servicing boats but many are. Motorcycle dealers are good at servicing motorcycles. In addition, motorcycles(especially Japanese motorcycles) are built to incredibly high quality standards that its a much easier product to support. Most boats are not built to the same standard of motorcycles or even automobiles.

My Utopia 205 was also purchased from Smith Powersports. They are fantastic people to deal with but the product they put out can be frustrating. Fortunatly for me I have a great dealer in St. Pete who is basically taking ownership of all my problems and trying to make me a happy Seadoo customer. Of course Seadoo is footing this bill. When I get my boat back and if all my issues are resolved, this dealer will get all my service business.

I admit, considering how little I paid I am totally cool with dealing with getting all this warranty work done. My advice Tony is to speak with the closest dealers to you and see who will work for you trying to make your Seadoo whole. You may just find a better outfit. Smith has proven they are not interested in making your new boat perfect.

Craig
 
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There is only 12.5hrs on he boat. I agree if all the issues where fixed at one time the boat would not have had to make so many trips. He stated in a email the last time it went up that he would wait to come get it until ll the part were in, and I was fine with that, but he came an got it. And now it comes back with more. I have seen the warranty write ups he has on in there for pick and delivery so he is charging Sea Doo for it. He has not be out a dime. Plus two of the trips he was sending guys down here anyway for other things. But if he would have said from the start that it should be taken to a closer dealer than I would have not an issue at all, but he want to come get it and make it right but i'll say it again it came back with more problems than it left with. Ya I like Craig got a good price not sure about a good deal but the price was right. Don't care for the idea that it seem when he needs a part to take it off another boat, why not just order a warranty part? here is how the radio came back the time before last and he blamed the detail guy.
 

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Are you a dealer?.....

The difference between your truck and this boat is that yours was damaged and his is not. As long as his sensors were working correctly then the computer should not have let the boat overheat to the point that it was damaged. If it is damaged then that is a different story. I doubt in this case that it was.

While the dealer is responsible for preparing the boat I doubt highly that they are legally responsible to check everything on the boat prior to delivery. Also, I doubt that you would really have wanted to have the motor burn up. Then the dealer would more then likely be within his legal rights to just replace the motor. In this case the fix probably involves tightening a few clamps and topping up the coolant. Not a big deal.

As far as lemon laws and the such are concerned, those do not apply to this. This person simply had an issue with his boat that should, and probably will, be taken care of under warranty. The dealer showed a good-will gesture by taking the time and money to go and get the boat a hundred miles away and then return it once fixed. It also sounds like they expidited the repairs so he could have his boat back quickly. In my eyes that is over and above what was required of them (but probably appropriate given the boat was so new).

Unless you know more about this then what has been said in this thread I can not understand where you are comming from. There were no ethical guidelines that were broken. The dealer hasn't ignored the owner. They simply said that checking the hoses is not part of their prep work (at least they were honest about it). That is it. They didn't say that they would not fix it. In fact, it sounds like quite the opposite. It sounds like they fixed it as quickly as they could.

Seadoosnipe, what would you expect of the dealer in this case?????

Anyway, all I am saying here is that, in my eyes, the fact that the hoses were not clamped tightly enough is not the dealer's fault. It was Sea-Doo's fault.

This post kinda sounds like a dealer or someone who works for one that's defending them.

Here's the deal. The dealerships are franchises that sell the Seadoo product. When it arrives in a crate (pwc) or in shrink wrap (boats), the truck drops them off for the dealer to prep and get it ready for sale. It's the dealers responsibility to ensure all nuts, bolts, clamps, fuses (not blown), liquids (coolant and oil) and a long list of other details, are down before the craft goes out on the floor. If Seadoo shipped out a PWC and left a part off of the supercharger, from the inside, then the dealer can back charge the manafacturer. Any component of the craft that breaks or goes bad, that is faulty by defect, is the manafacturers fault.

When these guys prep these machines, they have all the necessary equipment to pressure test these systems. Are they required to? I don't know. But there are things I've seen in dealerships that make my stomach turn. How many dealerships out there truly have high moral values? If I made this a poll, I bet the majority in this forum would vote that they were scam artists.

In my personal experiences with dealerships, car, motorcycle and boat, ....the salesman made the pitch like he was my best friend. Man, he'd bend over and spit shine my shoes if I thought I saw a blemish on them. But as soon as he had my signature on that paper and my money, I no longer existed. When I'd have a problem or concern, I would give a call and guess what? I was patched through to a voice machine. Then, if they did answer my call, it was a day or so after.

Dealerships rake in the profits from these sales, not the distributer. They have a set price that the dealer pays. Then, the dealer inflates the price 300%. They don't want to make a profit, like you and I might if we wanted to sale something.......they literally want to rob you blind.

The leak in the hoses? Yeah, it could have been an honest mistake. But, to have to chase someone down, like having to pay for the labor......that's ethically wrong.

Obviously, you've had great experiences with dealerships or like I said, you work for one. But me, ...........and others I"ve spoken with in the forum, don't have a lot of trust in them, that they are working in our best interest. It's all about the mighty dollar and what they can get from it.

I live on Dog River. My reputation out here doing mostly pump repairs (engines are Rotax, they don't break down as much) is very high. That means a lot to me. If I were a dealer, I'd be the same way. I'd spend all day on one ski if I had to just to make sure my fix was good and my customer was happy, verses a dealer that tries to get in a "quota" for the day to multiply his $90 bucks and hour charge..........just to have us take it home with the same problem.........

I should be fair and point out, there are still some dealers who operate on that principle where their customers satisfaction is their number one goal. But not many................:rant:
 
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I agree wth both of you. It might have been the dealers part about the hose clamps. and he did get right on that, but if that was the only issue than problem solved. But once it went back to dealer than it came back with more problems. If he did want to do the pick up and delivery than he should has stated take it to a closer dealer. This issue that I class as Sea Doo issues like the seats bleeding color and the snaps on the carpet were taken care of. But the glove box issue was that if he had repaired it correctly or it he had to wait on the correct parts than he should have done so, But everytime it seems that they did a rush job and didn't go over it and make sure its right.
I was told that there is only one marine mechanic at there dealership and the rest are motocylcle ones. :boxing_smiley:
 
Wow, you guys are scaring the heck out of me. I have a 2008 Yamaha 212x and was seriously considering upgrading to a 230 Wake (in fact, i put a deposit down on one), but this has me reconsidering. I have not had a single problem with my Yamaha. In fact, it hasn't even been back to the dealer since I took delivery. Fit and finish is perfect. Is Sea Doo fit and finish really this poor? Perhaps I should just go with the Yamaha AR230?

BTW, that dealer's response is nothing short of pathetic. Fact is that you are not identifying "new" warranty problems for them to repair. You are just trying to get them to remedy old problems and new problems THAT THEY ARE CREATING. I would be pissed beyond imagination. I would also make a claim for the wear and tear on my trailer. Its just BS.
 
Dealer

Scottnorm don't let my experience with a dealer put you off. But like anything else take your time and look over the boa before you sign anything!!!!!!! Belive me if you haven't rode in this boat you will love it. the horsepower difference will blow you away. I love my boat I just ask that it be taken care of as a new boat. Believe me I am waiting on a phone call from Sea Doo. But I do think the boat name fits.

Anchor Management
 
The dealer is taking me out on the lake with it this saturday. I am going to DRILL HIM on fit and finish. You are a ton more patient than me. I would be filing complaints with the better business bureau, harassing the manufacturer, threatening lawsuits, lemon laws, etc. The fact that you are still suggesting the brand says a lot.

My Sea Doo is still in shrinkwrap at the manufacturer. Apparently, many dealers have gone out of business and have inventory at the manufacturer.

This is, for sure, off topic, but did you ever have an opportunity to compare the Yamaha to the Sea Doo?
 
Fit

I have made the complaints and working on more. I know that the Sea Doo has had many complaints on the fit and finish and suppose to be makeing change in manufacturing.
I did look at the Yamaha ar230 but did like the fact it was under powered compared to Sea Doo and that other option the Sea Doo has, tower speakers amp, Blast tanks heater and the overall look. But lets face it you have to be your own judge make sure you feel good abou the boat before you take ownership of it. My experience with Sea Doo has been ok My dealers is another store.
 
BRP called

I just got a call from BRP a Carlo Viola and i have been cc him on all emailes from my ex dealer. He is going to call JOA a new dealer and give them me info and set something up to get my boat fixed. :rofl: We'll see how it goes.
 
A bit to strong!....

Wow, you guys are scaring the heck out of me. I have a 2008 Yamaha 212x and was seriously considering upgrading to a 230 Wake (in fact, i put a deposit down on one), but this has me reconsidering. I have not had a single problem with my Yamaha. In fact, it hasn't even been back to the dealer since I took delivery. Fit and finish is perfect. Is Sea Doo fit and finish really this poor? Perhaps I should just go with the Yamaha AR230?

BTW, that dealer's response is nothing short of pathetic. Fact is that you are not identifying "new" warranty problems for them to repair. You are just trying to get them to remedy old problems and new problems THAT THEY ARE CREATING. I would be pissed beyond imagination. I would also make a claim for the wear and tear on my trailer. Its just BS.

I think my reply might have been a bit too strong. I think if I had to say this again, it would be "don't rush to the first dealer to buy a boat". There are more dealerships out there that will sell you a boat and stand by it. But, this is a forum so we see more un-happy customers complaints about their experience from the dealer than we do the happy ones. That's because, if they are happy, they may never sign up to the forum.

Feel the dealer out. Make sure you remember, your the customer. He has to play the game you want to play it. Don't let him talk you into anything you REALLY don't want. And when it's all said and done, make him throw in a cover for the Doo...........

I've had some bad experiences with dealerships, especially with my new F-150 truck, so please, don't let my bad experience sour your experience. I just want people to go into a deal with good information as to what can happen if you let down your guard..........:cheers:
 
Help with BRP

As you can see by my last post on the 10th where Carlo Viola clled me from BRP about my dealers Email were he refuses to fininsh the repairs on my boat.
And Carlo told me that he would call a local dealer and set it up for them to finish the repairs. But as it goes with my experience with Sea Dooand BRP I still haven't heard from either the dealer nor BRP So here is Carlo Viola's phone number if anyone wants to call him 819-566-3035 he is the executive service rep.:boxing_smiley:
 
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Craig
This Carlo Viola was to contact JOA the local dealer and fill them in on all the issues I have and set a date and time for them to fix the issues, But I haven't herad from either of them.:boxing_smiley:
As of Moday I will be make a call every two hours if I need to.
 
T,

Here's what I would do....Send Carlo a respectful letter expressing a professional tone and request what is required to have Seadoo replace your boat with another. You and I both know they will not do this but by suggesting to him that you've had it with your boat and considering consulting with legal counsel on your options they will be far more motivated to work on getting you fixed up.

Be respectful and calm about it...they will respond.

Craig
 
T,

Is this the place your gonna go to?
http://www.joamarine.com/

They are registered as a "Platinum" dealer on the Seadoo website(Smith is not as a point of reference). In addition, this outfit appears to be a full blown marine operation. I'm encouraged for you. I predict in the end this outfit is gonna get you ready for a summertime of fun on your 230!

Craig
 
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