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What would you like to see in the next SeaDoo PWC?
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Can you tell me though why you want a 'jet boat' for a bass boat? You do know that they make jet outboards right?
I don't see a huge market for a jet powered fishing boat, jet boats are expensive and a jet system is far less efficient than an outboard.
-TheChad
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There are a ton of bass boats on the market but not a good one man bass boat. What I want to see is is a small one man Seadoo bass boat that would be 12 to 14 ft long. It would be easy to design and I know a lot of fisherman that would buy one. I have been fishing for over 40 years and had many boats and I like to fish alone.
There are a ton of bass boats on the market but not a good one man bass boat. What I want to see is is a small one man Seadoo bass boat that would be 12 to 14 ft long. It would be easy to design and I know a lot of fisherman that would buy one. I have been fishing for over 40 years and had many boats and I like to fish alone.
It would be interesting... I wouln't mind seeing it!!
I just don't think there would be a huge market for it and as I said before it would be alot cheaper to have an outboard then a jet drive.
Would be kind of neat though, a single place cockpit and a small fishing deck on the front with a trolling motor.
-TheChad
govprof
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My next rxt-x "310" -- Real to Rediculous
New proud owner of a pair of 255 and 260 RXT-Xs. I'm speaking from the perspective of continually improving the stock version. If you've riden P-X or a T-X you know they're very quick, peel your eyelids back quick .... I'm being critical of a great boat so please understand my intent is for continuous improvement of an award-winning platform in the industry.
A few extra ponies under the hood. As strange as this sounds ... 50 extra -- it's an arms race in the horse power department between the big three and the Kaw now boasts 300? Starting in '10 the top speed of the SeaDoo is limitted by reducing the engine rpm electronically through the computer monitoring speed by GPS. Frankly, keep jacking up the hp and we can keep beggin the aftermarket for "chips" and work arounds. The SeaDoo is a rocketship already with this version of the 4TEC ....
The technology of these craft is amazing but I have a couple of suggestions that might help an almost perfect craft. While essentially the same mill in the engine compartment of both years, the improvements between the two boats are too many to mention. Because of this, my expectations for the next version are huge. Cruise control needs to become a standard option and a little more like a car or at least motor cycle. Idling through long no-wake zones without the thought of having to focus on the throddle is awesome .... SeaDoo has invested in new electronics such as fly-by-wire, at least let your customers enjoy the full value of the system with electronic cruise control. It should be a stock item.
It's hot out here!!! The storage is not robust on my boats, but how about a built in cooler or "cooler" :cheers: option. Here's my idea. I would like the glove box under the handle bars to be redesigned as a floating lift-out insert which serves as the lid to insulated cooler below. Not a huge cooler, but let's say big enought to hold a six pack of tall bo .... bottled waters and a little ice on top. For example, if you've got an rxt-ish/gtx platform '09 or older, imagine the gove box lifting out as a lid, uncovering the cold ones underneath when you reach your destination. While you're at it, mold in at least one beverage holder somewhere ... and let's toss in an opional beverage cooler/warmer for that beverage holder. Since the speed's limitted by the computer (wink-wink aftermark chip) via gps -- we could continue the idea on intigration by hooking the air or water temp sensor to automatically cool or heat the beverage holder via present rider preference.
I've swapped out my glove box on '08 to hold my garmin GPS and I like it. However, I'm not aware of something that makes adding my garmin look as "stock" for the '10. Speaking of GPS, as a power boater, I'm familiar with the various marine electronics packages. The guage cluster on PWCs looks more like a video game and less like a professional piece of equipment ... just my opinion! The next electronics package of this platform should resemble an integrated system with engine info., performance, gps-chart plotting, water temp, depth sounder/fishfinder, vhf as well as audio, even weather. Blue tooth and charge my phones. The reliability of these systems have been prooven. Under-stated waterproof audio for VHF radio and the toon on the sand bar with an automatic shut-off when the battery power dips too low. Partner with a garmin, raymarine ect. and do it right. Intigrate it and run it as your insterment cluster.
I would also like to have an external plug to plug in a battery charger without taking the seat or even a panel off. Moving the battery from midship to the stern with access under the starboard hatch is a great improvement but it would be nice to slide a trim panel to expose a pair of lugs that I could hook to and charge. ... Keep those batteries charged, run electonics at the dock without going dead, remebler I want full electronics and audio - let's make that a built-in battery charger that I can simply plug a workshop 110 cord to and charge automatically ... nobody likes a warm PBR.
uke:
The stepped hull is a nice improvement to the old version and it handles great. But you are still not including the bording step as a stock piece of equipment. I think it needs to come stock from the factory. If you're not going to make it stock from the factory, LISTEN HERE SEADOO, at least mold threaded inserts into the hull so we don't have to use a tap set to properly install. How about at least molding in small indents so we don't have to take the time to measure and layout our own hand made templates. This would dramatically lower the install time for both owners and dealers too.:toetap05:
For those who are boaters and may occassionally tow the craft or maybe, just maybe, your's happens to break-down somewhere away from land and you need a tow, I have a suggestion. The SeaDoo manual says that we should clamp the hose with a hose clamp to prevent problems. Look inside a supercharged intercooled Seadoo hull these days and you won't see a whole lot of hull. There's a lot of crap stuffed in there. Make it easier for us - simply install an in-line valve with a user friendly color coded valve. No clamps, no BS for ignorant newbees like me, or somebody borrowing your ski .... Lets make that valve handle red.
Note to previous posters, '10 rxt-x was demo with full factory warrenty -a few hundred under your 10K number (not including sales tax) ... shop till they drop! It's still alot of money but it's also a lot of ski ....
Just a couple of my random thoughts, whacha got?atriot:
New proud owner of a pair of 255 and 260 RXT-Xs. I'm speaking from the perspective of continually improving the stock version. If you've riden P-X or a T-X you know they're very quick, peel your eyelids back quick .... I'm being critical of a great boat so please understand my intent is for continuous improvement of an award-winning platform in the industry.
A few extra ponies under the hood. As strange as this sounds ... 50 extra -- it's an arms race in the horse power department between the big three and the Kaw now boasts 300? Starting in '10 the top speed of the SeaDoo is limitted by reducing the engine rpm electronically through the computer monitoring speed by GPS. Frankly, keep jacking up the hp and we can keep beggin the aftermarket for "chips" and work arounds. The SeaDoo is a rocketship already with this version of the 4TEC ....
The technology of these craft is amazing but I have a couple of suggestions that might help an almost perfect craft. While essentially the same mill in the engine compartment of both years, the improvements between the two boats are too many to mention. Because of this, my expectations for the next version are huge. Cruise control needs to become a standard option and a little more like a car or at least motor cycle. Idling through long no-wake zones without the thought of having to focus on the throddle is awesome .... SeaDoo has invested in new electronics such as fly-by-wire, at least let your customers enjoy the full value of the system with electronic cruise control. It should be a stock item.
It's hot out here!!! The storage is not robust on my boats, but how about a built in cooler or "cooler" :cheers: option. Here's my idea. I would like the glove box under the handle bars to be redesigned as a floating lift-out insert which serves as the lid to insulated cooler below. Not a huge cooler, but let's say big enought to hold a six pack of tall bo .... bottled waters and a little ice on top. For example, if you've got an rxt-ish/gtx platform '09 or older, imagine the gove box lifting out as a lid, uncovering the cold ones underneath when you reach your destination. While you're at it, mold in at least one beverage holder somewhere ... and let's toss in an opional beverage cooler/warmer for that beverage holder. Since the speed's limitted by the computer (wink-wink aftermark chip) via gps -- we could continue the idea on intigration by hooking the air or water temp sensor to automatically cool or heat the beverage holder via present rider preference.
I've swapped out my glove box on '08 to hold my garmin GPS and I like it. However, I'm not aware of something that makes adding my garmin look as "stock" for the '10. Speaking of GPS, as a power boater, I'm familiar with the various marine electronics packages. The guage cluster on PWCs looks more like a video game and less like a professional piece of equipment ... just my opinion! The next electronics package of this platform should resemble an integrated system with engine info., performance, gps-chart plotting, water temp, depth sounder/fishfinder, vhf as well as audio, even weather. Blue tooth and charge my phones. The reliability of these systems have been prooven. Under-stated waterproof audio for VHF radio and the toon on the sand bar with an automatic shut-off when the battery power dips too low. Partner with a garmin, raymarine ect. and do it right. Intigrate it and run it as your insterment cluster.
I would also like to have an external plug to plug in a battery charger without taking the seat or even a panel off. Moving the battery from midship to the stern with access under the starboard hatch is a great improvement but it would be nice to slide a trim panel to expose a pair of lugs that I could hook to and charge. ... Keep those batteries charged, run electonics at the dock without going dead, remebler I want full electronics and audio - let's make that a built-in battery charger that I can simply plug a workshop 110 cord to and charge automatically ... nobody likes a warm PBR.
uke:The stepped hull is a nice improvement to the old version and it handles great. But you are still not including the bording step as a stock piece of equipment. I think it needs to come stock from the factory. If you're not going to make it stock from the factory, LISTEN HERE SEADOO, at least mold threaded inserts into the hull so we don't have to use a tap set to properly install. How about at least molding in small indents so we don't have to take the time to measure and layout our own hand made templates. This would dramatically lower the install time for both owners and dealers too.:toetap05:
For those who are boaters and may occassionally tow the craft or maybe, just maybe, your's happens to break-down somewhere away from land and you need a tow, I have a suggestion. The SeaDoo manual says that we should clamp the hose with a hose clamp to prevent problems. Look inside a supercharged intercooled Seadoo hull these days and you won't see a whole lot of hull. There's a lot of crap stuffed in there. Make it easier for us - simply install an in-line valve with a user friendly color coded valve. No clamps, no BS for ignorant newbees like me, or somebody borrowing your ski .... Lets make that valve handle red.
Note to previous posters, '10 rxt-x was demo with full factory warrenty -a few hundred under your 10K number (not including sales tax) ... shop till they drop! It's still alot of money but it's also a lot of ski ....
Just a couple of my random thoughts, whacha got?
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crisso
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New seadoo wants
I really think that quite a lot of the original building cost could be saved by using basic colors and not deep metallics and pearl colors.Stick on graphics are cheap,owners could customize to there own taste (if they wanted).Some skis look like big noen signs.Basic white etc. are very easy to keep polished.Scratches don't show up as easily and the radiant heat is way down.Plant you butt on a dark seat that has been sitting in the sun for a while.
This would HELP lower the prices for basic models by the time it gets to the dealer.So would many of the other ideas ,help lower the price.
Every bit would add up(or down) to a cheaper ski
I really think that quite a lot of the original building cost could be saved by using basic colors and not deep metallics and pearl colors.Stick on graphics are cheap,owners could customize to there own taste (if they wanted).Some skis look like big noen signs.Basic white etc. are very easy to keep polished.Scratches don't show up as easily and the radiant heat is way down.Plant you butt on a dark seat that has been sitting in the sun for a while.
This would HELP lower the prices for basic models by the time it gets to the dealer.So would many of the other ideas ,help lower the price.
Every bit would add up(or down) to a cheaper ski
martinplanter
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A huge step in technology
I have a 2009 Seadoo GTX Limited Is. Super Fab machine!! Best thing i ever bought - and ive bought sum stupid stuff. Ok we have the intelligent suspension, the neutral, the break, more sensors than a space shuttle but when were all out on the sea in our drysuits - anyone got the time??? NOPE! I think a clock shouldnt be too expensive to add!!???
I have a 2009 Seadoo GTX Limited Is. Super Fab machine!! Best thing i ever bought - and ive bought sum stupid stuff. Ok we have the intelligent suspension, the neutral, the break, more sensors than a space shuttle but when were all out on the sea in our drysuits - anyone got the time??? NOPE! I think a clock shouldnt be too expensive to add!!???
I got to try out the new Sea-Doo's at Lake Norman this past weekend. First off I am 53 and this was my first time on any Jet-Ski. I first rode the GTI 130. It had plenty of power but if this is what Jet-Skis are, I would have to pass on them. My 53 year old bones could not handle a full day of ridding one. Yet after riding the GTX Limited, I said, "Wow this is awesome." Which brings me to my suggestion. Why not build an iS GTI 130 or something with less power. Not all of us want to go 72 mph all day. With todays fuel cost, something comfortable to ride, getting good fuel mileage and low cost would be an easy seller. I understand the 3 person and higher HP needs for towing, but why not build a 2 seater that has more storage larger fuel tanks for those of us who enjoy spending time on the water enjoying exploring new lakes.
Stereo sound system, exterior lighting, compartment that hold down objects like a fish net located in the trunk of the car, cups holder,and most important, easy access in the engine compartment so technicians can easily repair the watercraft( brp engine compartment design is like those idiots from bmw and mercedes cars
PBchiefengineer
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Weaverama here has a valid point with #3 - better grade plastic and latches. I am constantly sorting out bits of shattered (not snapped) crapola plastic parts.
Mike
PBchiefengineer
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@martinplanter - I have 2 x 260 GTX iS LTD's. there is a clock function if you cycle through the 'display' options - mode button to 'display' then up/down to select clock, set to change. Maybe that's not the same on the 2009?
Mike
IDoSeaDoo
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something that will hop out of the water like an old X4. I want it to be small, no bigger than a 90's GSX. "But 4-strokes need more engine to make power" well, use turbos or superchargers, high compression, whatever it takes! Jet skis weren't meant to weigh more than 600lbs. Remember how funny it was when you saw your first SeaDoo LRV? Well, they're all like that now, just more filled out. I agree with everyone that the new ones are way too much like boats. We don't all go to the ocean and have to deal with bad chop all the time, and some of us actually like to play in it, not cut right through every wave. I just bought my second X4 because it is my belief that some day, there will be no real jet skis left... just huge boat-wanna-be's. I think we're headed for a future where we're going tell our grand kids stories starting with "when I was a boy, jet skis didn't weigh but 400lbs, heck you could even get them to jump out of the water!"
Whomever said that the new ones are ugly: 10 cool points to you sir. With the exception of the 09GTI, the new ones look like the space legos I had when I was 9, and the RXT looks like a truck or something. Seadoo used to have the best looking jet skis on the market... what happened?
Sensors, fly-by-wire, gps-guided cruise control? How many different kinds of trouble are we asking for here when these systems start to fail? We all know that electronics and water don't mix.... I think these new skis are going to be more problematic than the Israeli/Arab conflict once they get more than 5-7 years old.
IMO, the whole jet ski market is rapidly moving away from what jet skis really should be: small, nimble water motorcycles. Yea, I like to cruise sometimes too, I actually own a GTS, but you just don't have the option of anything small, light and fast anymore. I bet even the smallest seadoo will be stable with 3 people on it.
I bet if there was a challenge for the three big names to build a jet ski with ~100 hp, and weigh less than 500lbs, they could do it.
Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh, but I am pretty passionate about this subject. It's a big part of what I define as "The American Dream".
Whomever said that the new ones are ugly: 10 cool points to you sir. With the exception of the 09GTI, the new ones look like the space legos I had when I was 9, and the RXT looks like a truck or something. Seadoo used to have the best looking jet skis on the market... what happened?
Sensors, fly-by-wire, gps-guided cruise control? How many different kinds of trouble are we asking for here when these systems start to fail? We all know that electronics and water don't mix.... I think these new skis are going to be more problematic than the Israeli/Arab conflict once they get more than 5-7 years old.
IMO, the whole jet ski market is rapidly moving away from what jet skis really should be: small, nimble water motorcycles. Yea, I like to cruise sometimes too, I actually own a GTS, but you just don't have the option of anything small, light and fast anymore. I bet even the smallest seadoo will be stable with 3 people on it.
I bet if there was a challenge for the three big names to build a jet ski with ~100 hp, and weigh less than 500lbs, they could do it.
Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh, but I am pretty passionate about this subject. It's a big part of what I define as "The American Dream".
Small and light
IT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT 20 TIMES ALREADY. Honestly, if a company does produce a small, light, nimble PWC, it probably won't be sea doo. I feel like sea doo is the company that went quickest to the fat school bus PWC's. I think we all miss those small, light PWC's that used to sink and tip if you didn't go fast enough. I feel like people ride PWC's to get wet, turn sharp, and wave jump. NOT GO FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
IT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT 20 TIMES ALREADY. Honestly, if a company does produce a small, light, nimble PWC, it probably won't be sea doo. I feel like sea doo is the company that went quickest to the fat school bus PWC's. I think we all miss those small, light PWC's that used to sink and tip if you didn't go fast enough. I feel like people ride PWC's to get wet, turn sharp, and wave jump. NOT GO FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
bigJake
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Agree, I have lots of fun on my skis but tried out my buddies 3 seater, absolutley no fun at all. It like riding a coal barge, plow right thru waves insted of jumpoing over them.
What I would really like to see is a little trap door on the bottom of the hull that everything I drop rolls into for easy retrieval. Right now somewhere under my engine are a Hex key I dropped while removing the RAVES, the rubber nipple off the air box and a 10 mm socket...
brock1
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Its a jet ski not a boat they are not made to fish off of they are made to bomb the lake and fall of if you wanna fish just get a fishing boat and a cheap jet ski. I just picked up a 1989 seadoo for 100 bucks i threw a starter on it and it fired right up so i use that to play and my boat to fish. No offence or anything to anyone but jet skis are supposed to be a riot and hard to stay on THATS THE POINT its funny to watch someone try to sit in the water with my 89 and try not to tip over with the engine off. Just sayin these skis anymore are WAY to big and fast my 89 will do like 35 on a good day and thats is enough to do donuts and it hurts like heck when you fall off going that fast so im all set. If you want a perfect doo for all applications get a 97 gsx i swear by them they are great you get speed and stability all in one theyre great
later guys have a good one and have FUN RIDIN
later guys have a good one and have FUN RIDIN
I agree, somebody has already picked up on this idea, but I hate to say it's not BRP.
I was window shopping the other day, Kawasaki has a smaller and lighter (at least by today's standards) 3 person ski, fewer frills, it's the STX, and it was less than 8,000.00. I've never owned anything except a SeaDoo, but if I were buying an new ski, it would definitely be on my list.
I'm probably to old but a lot of you guys aren't they also have a one person stand up ski, looks really hot 800SX-R.
I think SeaDoo has missed the boat on this one.
Lou
I was window shopping the other day, Kawasaki has a smaller and lighter (at least by today's standards) 3 person ski, fewer frills, it's the STX, and it was less than 8,000.00. I've never owned anything except a SeaDoo, but if I were buying an new ski, it would definitely be on my list.
I'm probably to old but a lot of you guys aren't they also have a one person stand up ski, looks really hot 800SX-R.
I think SeaDoo has missed the boat on this one.
Lou
Sebast007
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Well, for me when I'm talking lighter PWCs I mean cut off a bit of weight, not go back to small two seaters. There are many good points with larger/more powerful PWCs. You can tow somebody with a wakeboard or a donut behind (it is a 3 seater after all and has the power to do so). It is fun as hell to go 70mph on the flat! And the new S3 hulls really makes the bigger PWCs move like lighter ones. After trying the new RXT-X 260 I just couldn't go back to my old GTI. It is stable, powerfull, I can play all day long with it without going out of gasoline or simply cross the Fleuve Saint-Laurent (a large river thats about 60 kilometres wide from Baie-Comeau to Matane) without being afraid of the waves.
BRP do not have small jetskis anymore to play with on the water, like Kawasaki or Yamaha. So if I want to have something ''smaller'' I will defenetly purchase one from them. You need to be in REAL shape to play with one of these though. I know I am and I just could'nt handle my friend's kawasaki for more than 20 minutes.
btw, sorry for my bad english
-Sébastien-
BRP do not have small jetskis anymore to play with on the water, like Kawasaki or Yamaha. So if I want to have something ''smaller'' I will defenetly purchase one from them. You need to be in REAL shape to play with one of these though. I know I am and I just could'nt handle my friend's kawasaki for more than 20 minutes.
btw, sorry for my bad english
-Sébastien-
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