DeejaysGTI
Member
Very nice!
I am used to boarding the GTX from the side. Mind you only weigh like 130lb soaking wet so its not so bad.
the XP would just roll over if you leaned too far off to the side.
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Sea-Doo Spark Review - X4 Enthusiasts Rejoice! The Spark is here!
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Very nice!
I am used to boarding the GTX from the side. Mind you only weigh like 130lb soaking wet so its not so bad.
the XP would just roll over if you leaned too far off to the side.
I also board my skis from the side just because I can. I have the rear steps but rarely use them. I can see the XP's an this new ski where side loading may be more of a challenge.
Spimothy Leary
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I've never "rolled off" my XP, and i'm guessing I put 150ish hours on it, but maybe I was just used to it, however I rarely if ever rode 2 up on the ski except when somebody broke down.
So much fun to throw all that weight around!
SabrToothSqrl
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i see no vts option, but i would guess after market!
you guys see where the oil drain plug is? on the ride plate.
you guys see where the oil drain plug is? on the ride plate.
Here's a link to the accessories, if you hover over the image you will see the part#
http://www.sea-doo.com/accessories.html#-902997206
http://www.sea-doo.com/accessories.html#-902997206
It mounts to the right rear of the ski.
As Racerxxx mentioned, it mounts on the stern but only on the right side. It is basically a fold down step large enough for a single foot.
So you step with the right and are hold up by the seat with your left hand. This keeps the ski balanced enough to allow you to board with minimal issues/problems.
Stunnerable
Active Member
I just can't wait to try this ski for myself! My only real concern is what happens when you flip it over? I've rolled my X4 over a zillion times including in the air.
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Self rights. I watched someone fall off (a first time rider) but try to board from the side. He rolled it upside down basically, and it just flipped back over. Gave it a spin more than once. Once I told him to board from the rear, he was good to go. Actually, the engine is designed to be able to run at a 90 degree angle and if inverted it won't spill oil into the combustion chamber, thus preventing oil lock.
RebuiltSeadooBaffles
Member
Im just hoping that dealers do not raise the price due to demand....
SabrToothSqrl
Well-Known Member
what prevents the engine from running upside down? oil system? it's fuel injected so it should run at any angle.
SabrToothSqrl
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That's a fine idea; however I often ride my 2 stroke past 90 degrees lol.
and I meant, what is the technical limitation to a 4 stroke operating upside down.
there are none for a 2 stroke, provided it has fuel/oil.
i understand from a safety and engine preservation setup you'd want it to shut off at 90 or so.
and I meant, what is the technical limitation to a 4 stroke operating upside down.
there are none for a 2 stroke, provided it has fuel/oil.
i understand from a safety and engine preservation setup you'd want it to shut off at 90 or so.
Dr Honda
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When you are banked way over... the Load/Force is still vertical. So... fuel/oil will still go to the bottom.
While it is true that most 2-strokes will run in any position... your fuel pickup, and oil injection system are still relying on gravity (vertical) to feed them. If you turned your ski, upside-down... and started it... it wouldn't run for very long. (lack of fuel) The 2-stroke wouldn't be damaged... but the oil and fuel tank would leak out the vent... your battery wouldn't' be happy either.
Also... running a 2-stroke in any position also depends on the carbs. If the engine has a regulator carb... it can feed fuel in any position. But a conventional "Float" carb will not.
On some of these 4-stroke engines, they run a dry sump. (like a modern dirtbike) That way, the engine can still be oiled when on it's side. Since I haven't seen a break down of the ACE engine... I can only assume it has a regular sump. BUT.. since it was designed for the off-road market... it may have an internal dry sump. (that would be very cool) In that case... it should be able to self-oil until the fuel system starved.
In a VERY general case.... you can make a 4-stroke run in any position. You would run a dry sump, and the scavenging pump would have floating ball valves to control the suction. Then your pressure pump would feed from the sump, with either a "Clunk" or double pick up. (this is how aerobatic aircraft keep oiled)
Just as an FYI... Here's a pic of my DRZ. If you look at the frame just below the handlebars... you will see a cap. That's the oil. The top frame tube is the oil tank... and if the bike is on it's side (in a fall) the pressure pump can still get oil, to feed the engine.
While it is true that most 2-strokes will run in any position... your fuel pickup, and oil injection system are still relying on gravity (vertical) to feed them. If you turned your ski, upside-down... and started it... it wouldn't run for very long. (lack of fuel) The 2-stroke wouldn't be damaged... but the oil and fuel tank would leak out the vent... your battery wouldn't' be happy either.
Also... running a 2-stroke in any position also depends on the carbs. If the engine has a regulator carb... it can feed fuel in any position. But a conventional "Float" carb will not.
On some of these 4-stroke engines, they run a dry sump. (like a modern dirtbike) That way, the engine can still be oiled when on it's side. Since I haven't seen a break down of the ACE engine... I can only assume it has a regular sump. BUT.. since it was designed for the off-road market... it may have an internal dry sump. (that would be very cool) In that case... it should be able to self-oil until the fuel system starved.
In a VERY general case.... you can make a 4-stroke run in any position. You would run a dry sump, and the scavenging pump would have floating ball valves to control the suction. Then your pressure pump would feed from the sump, with either a "Clunk" or double pick up. (this is how aerobatic aircraft keep oiled)
Just as an FYI... Here's a pic of my DRZ. If you look at the frame just below the handlebars... you will see a cap. That's the oil. The top frame tube is the oil tank... and if the bike is on it's side (in a fall) the pressure pump can still get oil, to feed the engine.
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I wondered if something like this can happen.
Does BRP set limits or restrictions to prevent this kind of thing?
When Ford reintroduced the Shelby, the price was jacked 10K+, that's how a close friend got one. The previous guy couldn't "pony" up the cash at delivery. It happened with the Prowler when that came out, it happened with the Challenger when they came out. So, it can happen with the Spark too.
Dr Honda
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Ford is GAY !!!
They killed the new T-bird with that crap. My dad wanted one, and right next the the main window sticker was a second sticker that said.... "Market adjusted price". (WTF !!) It was an extra $7500. So... people like my dad, who could write a check for it... said F--- Off !! (and bought a SLK)
Some dealers will raise the price because of demand... but any reputable one won't. When I bought my Toyota FJ in 2007... there were reports of guys paying over sticker. I even had a local dealer that said... "I will only sell it at sticker... no deals". So.. I just went to a different dealer.
The price can only go up, if the public lets it.
BUT... since price was a REAL factor in the Spark project... I bet BRP will control it.
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Really there was a demand for the T-bird in 02? Ford fell short on the bird--BIG TIME, no 4.6L and no manual trans offering is where that bird lost it--the made a womans car out of it. That car is not a Retro car from the 50's, looks wise yes. My father STILL has his 56 bird(since 58?), the 02 was a big let down for him with out the "Man's" driveline. Your pop made the right decision by walking, no way would I over pay for that car. But I don't think there will be a problem getting a Spark, sounds like BRP is already on top of the production.
jhjesse
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:ban:
OK, you are officially banned for bashing Ford. Just kidding :lols: Yeah, Ford really blew it on the T-bird, as well as the 6.0. I think Sea Doo has a real gem here, as long as, they keep up with and correct any problems that come up.
