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Greetings All. Long time forum reader (2+ years), first time poster. I've been checking this forum out for a few years as I've been interested in getting a boat. I've finally gotten to the point in my life when I am comfortable enough to lay out the cash for a boat. I've been looking for a 96-99 boat and have checked a few out on Craigslist as this is the boat buying time of the year. It is amazing what some people think is a good boat.

The first boat I looked at was a '97 Challenger with twin 110's ($5,500). Advertised as being in excellent shape (150 on the compression test). From all the reading (Thanks to the Dr. for all his posts), I knew what to look at. I crawled under the boat to check the impellers out and discovered it look like it ate a rock (see pictures). I then twisted around and discovered a 6' long crack down the entire hull that was repaired quite badly (soft to the touch and water/oil squeezing out). That boat didn'teven make it to the compression test/ride. Thanks again to everyone on teaching me to avoid this boat!! Also, the "drive shaft guard" (white plastic) was missing, how important is that piece to the boats operation?

Second boat was a '96 Speedster with twin 85's ($4,500). Boat was rough and faded plastic/seats, no cover, most of the hinges broken, and the test ride resulted in the acoustic foam on the lid cover to have a wet spot and fresh water coming from somwhere. Maintenance appears to be at a minimum. Compression test resulted in 130/125 on each motor. According to the posts, 140# should be the minimum. What should a realistic price be on this boat with these conditions?

I am also looking at a '98 Speedster with twin 110's ($6,500). This boat is immaculate, the engine compartment is white glove clean along with the rest of the boat/trailer. Original cover is not faded one bit, and the boat more than likely has very few hours on it (some years it was only used once). Always synthetic oil, dealer maintained and yearly maintenance performed (I called the dealer and asked; they told me everything that has been done and it practically matches what the seller told me). Impellers and wear rings look brand new. Always stored inside, wiped down after every use (they don't want to go to one lake near us as it is too dirty), and never left in the water. I haven't had a chance to compression test it yet, but I am sure it will turn out just fine. There are two things broken: gas guage and some hatch cover (entire hatch costs around $200). This boat is at a higher price, but with the maintenance, I will *likely* avoid the big ticket repair costs (but it is a boat, so one never knows :) ). Based on this information, what would a reasonable price be on this boat?

My dad and I have had Ski-Doo snowmobiles for years, so we are extremely familiar with the motors and I am quite mechanical in nature (ie: I would have no issues pulling the motor and rebuilding it). As always, I appreciate any thoughts that the more experienced owners have to offer.
 

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Nice work on avoiding that first one, "excellent condition" is a term that is WAY over used on CL. It's to the point now where I will flat out say to people "I drove out here because you told me this was in excellent condition, it is far from that".

Your first question - not very, they can easily be bought
2nd - $3,000 - LOTTA work to do on that one
3rd - (assuming this is the 15' model) $4.5-5k

In June I sold a 97 speedster, twin 85s with 130psi, good condition but had a rip in the main seat for $4,200. Sold fast. (I have a thread on here about that one)

These are MN prices, not sure how they differ from MI. Good luck and let us know what you buy.
 
A clean 98 can easily sell for 5500-6500. Heck i just sold mine a few months ago for 7800, but it had a lot of extras. Even if its in good shape, i would still try to get it down to 6000 or less. I paid 6200 for the 98 I had when i bought it in 2009 with 68 hours on it. Also, parts for the body are very hard to come by. So the cover you are missing is listed at $200...thats the old oem price.....Prolly wont find one anywhere....Which part is it exactly?
 
A clean 98 can easily sell for 5500-6500. Heck i just sold mine a few months ago for 7800, but it had a lot of extras. Even if its in good shape, i would still try to get it down to 6000 or less. I paid 6200 for the 98 I had when i bought it in 2009 with 68 hours on it. Also, parts for the body are very hard to come by. So the cover you are missing is listed at $200...thats the old oem price.....Prolly wont find one anywhere....Which part is it exactly?
I'm not exactly sure what part it is. I know he uses his daughters swimming goggles to tie it shut. I will be looking more closely at it tomorrow and find out what exact part it is.
 
Hello and welcome to the forums.

I'm heavily biased towards the Speedster since I have a 99.

I assume the 97 Challenger is the 1800 (the bigger of the Challengers). The Challenger has a much "nicer" ride to it due to the hull and it's 1.5 feet longer. The Speedster is light and quick but rides rougher than the Challenger. I recently repowered a 99 Challenger and to be honest I like the ride it had over my Speedster--but in the looks department(my opinion here) the Speedster is way hotter, so I will always sacrifice looks over ride. I'm also not a huge fan of the seat config of the Challenger for the rear passengers. The other thing to keep in mind is the Speedster, while it can hold 5 people, it is really a 4 seater--perfect for my family of 4.

The gas gauge is probably just the float, a $25 fix. The hatch, as long as it's not the big main hatch is not a big deal, awkward to ship, but if you can get a new one for $200 from the dealer that is not bad(I guess--if they can get it), probably would cost that much to ship one used.

Drive shaft protector, mine are gone, no need for them. The first ski rope you suck up will take care of that anyway.


Not sure what to tell you about the 96 Speedster, it's not my style. And by the sounds of it, a money pit. So your down to the Speedster


I think you really need to ride in both(Challenger and 98 Speedster) to get a feel for how they ride and make your choice, but still considering all the mechanical stuff too. Try and ride it the water how it would normally be, like if it's usually got some chop where you ride on the weekends, ride in the chop. Smooth water will not really give you a good baseline to judge from.

Best of luck, keep your questions coming.
 
USAF, keep us posted on what you are looking at. Twin 787s are much faster then a single or even twin 717s...but of course twice the work and more gas usage too :)

See my signature about Michigan members.....feel free to add your name.
 
USAF, keep us posted on what you are looking at. Twin 787s are much faster then a single or even twin 717s...but of course twice the work and more gas usage too :)

See my signature about Michigan members.....feel free to add your name.

Generally speaking, twins burn 10 to 20 percent more in fuel as compared to singles. This might sound expensive but not really. Single engines normally work 70 to 80 percent harder to equate what twins do to get onto plane. So singles burn more fuel in many cases under heavy loads.

Twins normally have less repairs as far as mechanical things go as they are working easier than single engine applications.

It all works out in the wash and twins are worth more when you sell them.



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The biggest plus on twins (provided one runs), you can always get yourself back to the ramp. Slowly, but back. I've limped in on one more than I care to remember.
 
The navy seals have a saying "two is one and one is none". Not that this is life critical, but...

I am not worried too much about the fuel, it costs what it costs. I am buying a boat to have fun and not worry about the little bit of gas difference. From everything I've read, the double motors do better getting us old guys up in deep water ;)
 
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The fun factor is definitely multiplied with a twin, a twin Speedster can do some amazing things, you can vary the throttle positions in a turn, and kinda slide in and out of a turn, nothing like it.

Lou
 
If you are an adrenaline junky... then get a twin. The singles are fun... but more HP is more "Go".


And... your view's on the fuel, is perfect for a boat owner. I know fuel is expensive right now... but these are toys, and you have to feed them to have fun. The monster in my avatar burns 27 gl/hr at full throttle !! But.. pull it back to about 70% power... and I can go out a few times on a tank of fuel.

Good luck with your search.
 
If you are an adrenaline junky... then get a twin. The singles are fun... but more HP is more "Go".


And... your view's on the fuel, is perfect for a boat owner. I know fuel is expensive right now... but these are toys, and you have to feed them to have fun. The monster in my avatar burns 27 gl/hr at full throttle !! But.. pull it back to about 70% power... and I can go out a few times on a tank of fuel.

Good luck with your search.

I had one boat I just missed out on. The seller told me that he would let me know if the original buyer was going to back out because "putting a hitch on the van may cost too much." My first thought was "if you think a hitch is expensive, you probably shouldn't be buying a boat!!" My second thought was "Van?!?"
 
I am the proud owner of a nearly mint '98 speedster. Gas gauge doesn't work (no biggie), passenger window latch broke (needs new window, another no big deal), and a minor water leak that just needs some silicon to fix.

It is raining, so you get garage pictures :(
 

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If the boats use the same float in the fuel tank as the skis they fail often. Easy and cheap fix.

Congrats on the purchase.


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Congrats, she looks cherry! Post a pic of the windscreen that is broken, or the part that is broken. The fuel float is the same as the skis, so you can get the new style one. I guess I should break down and buy one for my Speedster, been running without a working gas gauge for years now.
 
Congrats, she looks cherry! Post a pic of the windscreen that is broken, or the part that is broken. The fuel float is the same as the skis, so you can get the new style one. I guess I should break down and buy one for my Speedster, been running without a working gas gauge for years now.

It is the windscreen: part #204620079 = $250 (see picture for broke latch) It appears to be a bad design.IMG_4106[1].jpg

It seems somewhere I read to jump the blue and pink wire on the float to test the gauge. OF course I can't find that post now. Can someone verify if those are the correct wires to jump?
 
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It is the windscreen: part #204620079 = $250 (see picture for broke latch) It appears to be a bad design.View attachment 20970


NLA= No Longer Available.

That is a tough part to come by. There was just one on Ebay a few months back, I actually thought about picking one up. Not a bad design, bad person handling it. More than likely someone dropped it for a full slam, I always lower mine and use two finger to latch it in. These hood latch so easy and can take a pounding in the chop.
 
If the boats use the same float in the fuel tank as the skis they fail often. Easy and cheap fix.

Congrats on the purchase.


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Yep... it's the same float.



And congrats !!

But, we will get your rain tomorrow. :facepalm:
 
This is the new part #291003861 -$254 and they say it is available.


Cool, I have my finger crossed for you. If you can order the windscreen flip up too and new roll pins I would suggest that too, that piece look so fragile it's unreal, I don't even let my wife open it. If it breaks I want it to be me that breaks it.

EDIT: I forgot they used those hoods on the later Speedster 200's--SWEET!
 
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Beautiful boat!!! Fix the latch yourself if you have the metal part. If its missing let me know and I will get you measurements for fabrication. 1 of my latches and both of my hinges were broken. I used a fix I found on this forum and it has been rock solid. I can look it up for you if you would like and also take pictures of my latch fix. One suggestion though, dark grey HydroTurf! Look at my pics and you will see the dramatic difference it made. I also installed a simple stereo. If you go down that same path please PM me for tips, measurements, and things to watch out for (while cutting I got into the main wiring harness to the helm). Also since I have the same boat feel free to PM me with questions.

Edit: Don't worry about the fuel gauge, it's got a huge tank. I open the hatch and check mine. We mainly float and run so 1 tank last me 2 lake days.
 
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Beautiful boat!!! Fix the latch yourself if you have the metal part. If its missing let me know and I will get you measurements for fabrication. 1 of my latches and both of my hinges were broken. I used a fix I found on this forum and it has been rock solid. I can look it up for you if you would like and also take pictures of my latch fix.
Please send me the info on this as the metal part is missing.

One suggestion though, dark grey HydroTurf! Look at my pics and you will see the dramatic difference it made.
HydroTurf is on the list, just way down on it.

I also installed a simple stereo. If you go down that same path please PM me for tips, measurements, and things to watch out for (while cutting I got into the main wiring harness to the helm). Also since I have the same boat feel free to PM me with questions.
We are just thinking we will use some wireless bluetooth speakers. Radio's are so 1980's :)

Edit: Don't worry about the fuel gauge, it's got a huge tank. I open the hatch and check mine. We mainly float and run so 1 tank last me 2 lake days.
That is my current plan!!

My biggest concern is to find where the water is coming in around the port exhaust and get that sealed up. With the motor off, it comes in, so I am pretty sure it is the seal/gasket where it passes through the hull.
 
She looks mint really!!! How muich was it? As much fun as my speedster 200 is, I really miss the 98. It was a ton of fun. The windscreens are easy to repair. I had to repair a hinge and a latch on mine. I dont have it anymore to take pics but I have the threads on here somewhere with pics. For the hinge, it usually breaks free from the plastic or the metal breaks and the hinge starts to fall apart. I used the original hinge and drilled through the plastic windscreen and bolted it back to the hinge. Then I had a latch that broke loose from the windscreen. I used a few dabs of glue to hold it in the original place. Then used the holes that were already through the metal latch and drilled all the way through the windscreen.Then I used black anodized rounded cap allen bolts with rubber o rings through the windscreen top down through the latch with nylock nuts on the bottom. When it was done you could barely notice either repair. Cost me a whole 5 bucks for all of it.

The gasket around the exhaust is very common for a leak. Cheap and easy repair. If you leave it in water long, leave the battery switch on. The auto feature of the bilge pump is hooked to the battery switch on the 98. I learned the hard way. I moved it on the switch to where it was always hot.
 
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She looks mint really!!! How muich was it?
I spent just over $6, but it was a premium boat deserving of the price
As much fun as my speedster 200 is, I really miss the 98. It was a ton of fun. The windscreens are easy to repair. I had to repair a hinge and a latch on mine. I dont have it anymore to take pics but I have the threads on here somewhere with pics. For the hinge, it usually breaks free from the plastic or the metal breaks and the hinge starts to fall apart. I used the original hinge and drilled through the plastic windscreen and bolted it back to the hinge. Then I had a latch that broke loose from the windscreen. I used a few dabs of glue to hold it in the original place. Then used the holes that were already through the metal latch and drilled all the way through the windscreen.Then I used black anodized rounded cap allen bolts with rubber o rings through the windscreen top down through the latch with nylock nuts on the bottom. When it was done you could barely notice either repair. Cost me a whole 5 bucks for all of it.
The hardware is missing for the latch, so I will need to either buy the hardware or fabricate it. The plastic mounting "clips" are broken

The gasket around the exhaust is very common for a leak. Cheap and easy repair. If you leave it in water long, leave the battery switch on. The auto feature of the bilge pump is hooked to the battery switch on the 98. I learned the hard way. I moved it on the switch to where it was always hot.
From what I've read, it is easy to fix, but the part is now obsolete and no one has the part anymore :(
 
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