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2008 Wake 230 trouble super charger, engine or both?

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alutjen

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port side engine supercharger failure, recently started using oil. not sure how long supercharger has been out but has been running 1.5 rpm less than other engine for last 2 years. being told i need to replace engine block and super charger based on an error code, 10k cost. Sounds odd, motors only have 38 hours on them. Why would block need to be replaced? is this worth a second opinion?
 
You can check the supercharger in 5 minutes. Take off inlet hose and see if the impeller spins freely. Then we will go from there.

BRP recommends rebuilding the sc every 100 hours OR 2 years. So, it's not a matter of hours, it's age. I don't think it's necessary to rebuild every 2 years but at least every 5.

Your boat most likely has ceramic washers in the sc(2008 was a transition year from ceramic to steel washers) which is a very bad thing and can ruin the motor if not corrected right away.

Anybody with a supercharged boat from 04-08 should rebuild the sc immediately if they have the original washers in them.

I'm curious why losing 1500 rpm on a motor didn't seem like a big deal for 2 years. There is no error code that will tell you the engine needs replaced but there are codes that can lead you in that direction. Block may or may not need replaced but if you've been running ceramic shards through your motor for 2 years then it will need a complete rebuild and lots of new parts including head, bearings, etc.
 
Ouch. Sorry to hear about your engine issues.

Ceramic washer ingestion can wreak havoc on a motor. Running it for 2 years with that much of a difference between RPM's and not having it looked into was probably not a good idea. Lesson learned for sure.

ski-d00 is right about the superchargers. AT less than a grand to have them both rebuilt, it's much cheaper to maintain them as recommended than it is to have to replace a motor.

What did the dealer say was the reason for the new block? Did he tear into the motor? Did he show you any damaged parts? Did he do a compression check?
 
Well 1.5 is not exactly a SC. In my experience a down SC is a full 2k off. 6000 compared to 8100. But if it was the SC Which 1.5 could be then I'd just change the SC. Yes a bad SC can damage the engine but you'd be taking it in because if the engine not running at all not a loss of 1.5k
 
Well 1.5 is not exactly a SC. In my experience a down SC is a full 2k off. 6000 compared to 8100. But if it was the SC Which 1.5 could be then I'd just change the SC. Yes a bad SC can damage the engine but you'd be taking it in because if the engine not running at all not a loss of 1.5k
Disagree with most of this. You can't just fix the sc if you have a ceramic washer failure. If you keep running it, the engine will self destruct. Actually, on a single engine ski or boat, the rpms will be down to around 5500 but can be significantly higher on a dual engine boat and only be off 1500 rpms for the majority of the throttle range.
 
Disagree with most of this. You can't just fix the sc if you have a ceramic washer failure. If you keep running it, the engine will self destruct. Actually, on a single engine ski or boat, the rpms will be down to around 5500 but can be significantly higher on a dual engine boat and only be off 1500 rpms for the majority of the throttle range.
If you read it, I said it could be 1.5 although that's not my experience. So I gave Creedance to the possibility. Secondly this OP said he's been running it like this for a year or two. He's getting a failure code. So to me a failure code and engine failure are two different things. So I already addressed the fact that a bad SC can hurt and engine but it would surely happen well before two years.

His engine is fine change the SC.
If his engine is not running then I can't imagine why he would even ask if the engine is bad[emoji23]. But I guess I have to remember this is 2020.

In addition I would recommend the OP have a compression test. That would go a long way in dispelling damage from a SC failure and takes ten mins to do.
 
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So, when you remove the sc and it's missing the ceramic washers, then the motor is fine and keep running it because it hasn't blown up yet?

I've seen engines last several years with ceramic washer in them before they self destruct but it's always, tick, tick, tick... boom.
 
So, when you remove the sc and it's missing the ceramic washers, then the motor is fine and keep running it because it hasn't blown up yet?

I've seen engines last several years with ceramic washer in them before they self destruct but it's always, tick, tick, tick... boom.
Maybe you would do that since you're suggesting it. But no I wouldn't keep running a bad SC. I would change the SC and look for any missing pieces. In case you didn't know you could pull the engine drop the oil pan and PTO cover. Look at the SC and see what pieces you're looking for and fish for them. If it's a single washer, I'll find both pieces and inspect the gears for damage. 4-5k for an inspection, SC new oil etc. Some people know more about repairs than others. Their shop seems to not want to use any expertise and just replace the engine.
 
If it's a single washer, I'll find both pieces and inspect the gears for damage
Both pieces, lol. Yet to see a ceramic washer break in 2 pieces in the 100+ I've done. That's not how they break.
 
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Both pieces, lol. Yet to see a ceramic washer break in 2 pieces in the 100+ I've done. That's not how they break.
Yet you're the same guy that would change a Motor over looking for washer pieces [emoji23]. And you've worked on 100 and Changed 100 motors [emoji1787] [emoji1782]. As I said just change the SC. Save your self back away slowly. 100+[emoji1782]
 
Good lord this thread has gone off the rails.

No offense delonnelj, but ski-d00 has over 2500 posts and has a history of offering sound advice. You have 163 and come across as combative in this thread.

He offers all sorts of technical info and advice in his earlier posts and you're just arguing with him with zero facts to back up your claims.

I've seen and read enough threads on ceramic washer failures to know very few walk away without some form of engine damage. Have you ever seen the washer stack? Below is a pic of a typical fragged out ceramic washer. One of many washers in the clutch stack.

The OP stated he's now using oil, which I took as consuming oil. This doesn't sound like his engine is fine as you state in post 6. More than likely he has some internal damage that is now causing this oil consumption.

How is this arguing helping the OP with his issue? At least provide some technical reasons to back your findings instead of just saying ski-d00 is wrong and the OP's motor will be fine with a simple SCer rebuild.

Geez.

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Good lord this thread has gone off the rails.

No offense delonnelj, but ski-d00 has over 2500 posts and has a history of offering sound advice. You have 163 and come across as combative in this thread.

He offers all sorts of technical info and advice in his earlier posts and you're just arguing with him with zero facts to back up your claims.

I've seen and read enough threads on ceramic washer failures to know very few walk away without some form of engine damage. Have you ever seen the washer stack? Below is a pic of a typical fragged out ceramic washer. One of many washers in the clutch stack.

The OP stated he's now using oil, which I took as consuming oil. This doesn't sound like his engine is fine as you state in post 6. More than likely he has some internal damage that is now causing this oil consumption.

How is this arguing helping the OP with his issue? At least provide some technical reasons to back your findings instead of just saying ski-d00 is wrong and the OP's motor will be fine with a simple SCer rebuild.

Geez.

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I responded to the OP not him. He responded to my post. So I give my reasons and I'm defensive? Yeah Ok. He could have a million posts that means no one else know anything, com'on man that's irrelevant. Many ppl work on engines but don't live on the fourm. I offered my advice. And it still stands. Oil consumption can be an indicator of damage but should be carte blanche for a new engine, prime example would be the invent of catch cans. Oil consumption can have a few causes. We don't know what the cause of consumption is. If the OPs mechanic wants to install a new engine the mechanic should have said hey your compression is bad, you have damaged gears internally. checking compression is the way to determine that as I suggested. And a code is also not a good reason to change an engine without further investigation. If compression is fine, Take the engine out inspect the gears find the pieces. A little due diligence goes a long way. If anyone feels that convicted, DM the OP don't dispute me especially if I'm not telling him something that's going to get him hurt or killed. No one commenting on this is getting paid or fixing the boat. Just simple advice so yeah it is off the rails.
 
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Hi
I would take ski-d00 advice I have been rebuilding a 4 - Tec 260hp motor including a rebore and ski-doo has given me heaps of advice when I needed it.
I have found that his advice has been stop on every time.
As for the SC washer I have seen the aftermath of what fine bits of ceramic washer dose to the bearings and crankshaft journals, oil pump etc so if I had a SC with a washer missing I would be pulling the motor completely apart and clean every bit of the motor, and replacing the bearings if they are marked in anyway.
I would not take the chance. One very small bit off ceramic can cause a lot of damage to your bearing which will destroy your motor over time
 
I purchased a 2008 Challenger SE 230 and had the same issues with RPMs being about 1500 off. Pulled SC hoses off and one was free spinning. Sent them off and they rebuilt them no problem. Removed the front and rear engine covers to inspect/find the washer pieces. Found 99% and oil filter seemed to find the rest. Replaced both oil pumps and water pump while I was in there. Been using it hard for 2 years and haven't had any issues with it (Knock on wood) IMG_2235.JPGIMG_2233.JPGIMG_2234.JPG
 
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