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Guttafixit

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Hello, I’ve never owned a pwc. I’ve had snowmobiles and ATV’s. I got this 2000 GS on a trade for working on a wheeler. The Sea Doo needed an exhaust manifold and tlc. I’m replacing the fuel and oil lines and other stuff.
I’ve looked on the internet and I’m lost. I’ve found plenty of posts and the manual reading use API TC oil but I’m finding semi synthetic. I want full. I found these. Will one of these work? I know the o’Reilly’s oil is cheap money but is it any good?
The QuickSilver doesn’t have API TC on it but does have JASO FD.
Thank you
 

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I’ve never done the research needed to find out which ratings offer what protection and what the ratings mean, I will say this, I ran a cheaper oil with good ratings in a weed trimmer and the trimmer lived a short lifespan, when I went to the Sthil dealer to buy a new trimmer I noticed that the little bottles of oil I got with the new trimmer were rated API-TC. I had always used API/TC oil from the BRP dealer in all my seadoo’s and ski doos but finding the rating on the oil for the trimmer really reinforced just how good this rated oil is for high rpm 2 stroke engines. Lucas also has an API/TC oil.
 
Thank you for replying. I went to a local parts store today and they are stocking Amsoil API TC full synthetic for $64 a gallon. I will get that.
What I read online, I didn’t think any parts store would carry the Amsoil. I thought you had to order directly from them.
 
This is what I use and I've had no problems. I get it at Academy sports. It is hard finding oil now a days. I think it is about 40 bucks.
 

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This is what I use and I've had no problems. I get it at Academy sports. It is hard finding oil now a days. I think it is about 40 bucks.
I will look to see if I can find that locally. Lucas is a good brand and it’s $20 cheaper. lol
Thank you.
 
For your GS there’s really no need or requirement for full synthetic but you can if you want.
If it’s was me I would use the Lucas semi-synthetic API-TC available at O’rilly auto.
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You don’t want any that say TCW-3 anywhere on the bottle.
 
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For your GS there’s really no need or requirement for full synthetic but you can if you want.
If it’s was me I would use the Lucas semi-synthetic API-TC available at O’rilly auto.
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You don’t want any that say TCW-2 anywhere on the bottle.
Well I was wondering about the full synthetic and semi synthetic. Since I don’t have the rave valve. The Lucas semi synthetic is a lot cheaper so I’ll get that. I knew about the TWC 2. I found the semi easier to find at the stores.
Thank you
 
In my opinion no. Sorry, TCW-3 not 2 and API-TC are completely different oils. I know some will argue and could be correct but I trust the engineer at Rotax that said they can’t be dual rated. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.

The long answer is......
The following is from a Rotax Aircraft engineer but applies exactly to our 2-stroke Seadoos aslo powered by Rotax.....

There are many TC-W3 rated oils out there that are also APC-TC rated. API-TC OK, TC-W3 not OK, what about the ones rated both?


Hi Larry, you’ve asked a great oil question that really stirs up a lot of two stroke pilots. I have spent a lot of time researching to stroke oils. If I ask about engine oils when presenting a seminar, it seems like I’d get a different favourite oil from each attendee. Ok, here goes my opinion on the great oil debate.

Our Rotax aircraft engines operated at high load, high rpm and high piston temperature for prolonged periods. For our application the correct oil specified is API -TC (low ash) rated oil, period! This applies to to the aircooled (503) as well liquid cooled (582) aircraft engines equally.

A boat or watercraft engine is cooled by cool lake water and this engine application experiences much lower piston temperatures. These craft use TC-W3 rated oil.

A boats engines exhaust exits under the surface of the water. This reduces the exhaust sound level, however the products of combustion enter the water directly. TC-W3, (ashless boat oil) has an additive (detergent) package made up of organic substances to reduce water pollution. TC-W3 organic additive package will not withstand the much higher piston area temperatures our Rotax aircraft engine experience.

Our API-TC (low ash) oil for use in our aircraft Rotax aircraft engines has a additive (detergent) package made up of metallic substances (heavy metals) . This additive package is what allows piston area protection at much higher temperatures.

True API-TC oil users make up up a small percentage of the market, so oil companies have reformulated TC-W boat oil to also pass the minimum API-TC test standards. This fits all engines oil blend is like a “one size fits all” piece of clothing. I believe this dual purpose oil blend must contain the low temperature operation organic additive package or it couldn’t be used in a watercraft.

I would recommend you use only a specified standalone API-TC oil to protect your Rotax aircraft engine. Rotax has documents referring to correct operating fluids, including two stroke oil.

Regards John Baker iRMT 3852

Finally, will your engine blow up using TCW-3? No, probably not but it is not the correct oil, does not lubricate as well and has been known to cause the rotary valve and inner crank seals to leak.

In the end it is up to you to decide if you want to save a couple bucks and try an oil that isn't rated for your Seadoo.

You can get the Lucas for $25 a gallon.
 
Thank you for letting me know. I’d rather not hurt the engine. I found this at Walmart and O’rielly’s I couldn’t find anything without the TC-W3 at those places. They do have one at the parts store that’s 2 hours away. lol
I will find something that doesn’t have the TCW. on it. Even if I have to buy the Amsoil for $60. I did find that.
Thank you again!!
 
In my opinion no. Sorry, TCW-3 not 2 and API-TC are completely different oils. I know some will argue and could be correct but I trust the engineer at Rotax that said they can’t be dual rated. That’s my story and I am sticking with it.

The long answer is......
The following is from a Rotax Aircraft engineer but applies exactly to our 2-stroke Seadoos aslo powered by Rotax.....

There are many TC-W3 rated oils out there that are also APC-TC rated. API-TC OK, TC-W3 not OK, what about the ones rated both?


Hi Larry, you’ve asked a great oil question that really stirs up a lot of two stroke pilots. I have spent a lot of time researching to stroke oils. If I ask about engine oils when presenting a seminar, it seems like I’d get a different favourite oil from each attendee. Ok, here goes my opinion on the great oil debate.

Our Rotax aircraft engines operated at high load, high rpm and high piston temperature for prolonged periods. For our application the correct oil specified is API -TC (low ash) rated oil, period! This applies to to the aircooled (503) as well liquid cooled (582) aircraft engines equally.

A boat or watercraft engine is cooled by cool lake water and this engine application experiences much lower piston temperatures. These craft use TC-W3 rated oil.

A boats engines exhaust exits under the surface of the water. This reduces the exhaust sound level, however the products of combustion enter the water directly. TC-W3, (ashless boat oil) has an additive (detergent) package made up of organic substances to reduce water pollution. TC-W3 organic additive package will not withstand the much higher piston area temperatures our Rotax aircraft engine experience.

Our API-TC (low ash) oil for use in our aircraft Rotax aircraft engines has a additive (detergent) package made up of metallic substances (heavy metals) . This additive package is what allows piston area protection at much higher temperatures.

True API-TC oil users make up up a small percentage of the market, so oil companies have reformulated TC-W boat oil to also pass the minimum API-TC test standards. This fits all engines oil blend is like a “one size fits all” piece of clothing. I believe this dual purpose oil blend must contain the low temperature operation organic additive package or it couldn’t be used in a watercraft.

I would recommend you use only a specified standalone API-TC oil to protect your Rotax aircraft engine. Rotax has documents referring to correct operating fluids, including two stroke oil.

Regards John Baker iRMT 3852

Finally, will your engine blow up using TCW-3? No, probably not but it is not the correct oil, does not lubricate as well and has been known to cause the rotary valve and inner crank seals to leak.

In the end it is up to you to decide if you want to save a couple bucks and try an oil that isn't rated for your Seadoo.

You can get the Lucas for $25 a gallon.
I found one at o’Reilly’s. I wanted a gallon but they only stock the quart. They can order the gallon though. Thank you for everything!! I appreciate it.
I ended up getting 2 quarts of this.
 

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Take a look at Lucas Synthetic Snowmobile oil that is API-TC full synthetic for $35/gal. It checks all the boxes and that is what I have using for several years. If you can get past it saying snowmobile, you'll be happy with it.
 
Take a look at Lucas Synthetic Snowmobile oil that is API-TC full synthetic for $35/gal. It checks all the boxes and that is what I have using for several years. If you can get past it saying snowmobile, you'll be happy with it.
I saw that. I didn’t get it because of the sled on it. lol
I know now I can. Thank you..
 
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