Starboard engine only makes a loud click when trying to start....stator or solenoid?

[Jfrymania]

Aight, the run down. On the lake for an hour or two. But was running good....start stop restart everything was fine. Coming up to a bridge and there was two kayaks underneath so powered the throttle down and then the starboard engine died. Went to restart and turned over but would not fire. Then it stopped turning over so we crept back to the docks on the port engine for 45 mins. Got it home and now all I hear is a click when I hit the start button. I read other threads about to jump the stator and if it fires its the stator and if not then its the solenoid. I don't even know where to look for the stator and was hoping someone could give me hand. Also, any idea why it just fielding the water? I wanted to try and turn it overbuy hand to make sure it's not locked up, but not sure where to do that either. You guys have helped me get this boat running and now I'm back again. Thanks for the future help.

Jeffrey

 

[BMANN06]

K dont stress first step.

In most cases this is a result of something not allowing the motor to turn over. Which is a good thing. If u can get it on the trailer check out the pump, pull the pump off if u dont find anything. Yank the plugs and roll the starter, if she spins MINT! If not investigate the starter, i know its sounds like alot of work but u really r dealing with less than 10 fasteners. Post back!

 

[Jfrymania]

K dont stress first step.

In most cases this is a result of something not allowing the motor to turn over. Which is a good thing. If u can get it on the trailer check out the pump, pull the pump off if u dont find anything. Yank the plugs and roll the starter, if she spins MINT! If not investigate the starter, i know its sounds like alot of work but u really r dealing with less than 10 fasteners. Post back!

Not mechanically sound. Which pump are you referring to? Or how can I identify and remove it. Have shop manual not sure where to go from here.

 

[Jfrymania]

Not mechanically sound. Which pump are you referring to? Or how can I identify and remove it. Have shop manual not sure where to go from here.

Any what do you mean by roll the starter? Ps I may not be 5 yrs old but pics do help.lol

 

[Jfrymania]

Can someone please help me out here. I'm not sure which pump to remove. Thanks

 

[BMANN06]

Hey man sorry to leave you hanging. Yes remove the jet pump thats attached to engine thats giving you problems. You may find the problem when u remove pump. If not leave pump off pull plugs and see if you can turn motor over by hand, just spin the pto. Post back.

 

[Jfrymania]

How do I remove jet pump?

 

[BMANN06]

In your shop manual go to jet pump section. There is detailed instructions along with pics for removal and re-installation.

 

[Jfrymania]

I did get the gates off and reverse. So now do I have to remove the impeller housing and dissemble the wear ring? How far do I need to go? The manual describes for the jet pump is for wear ring replacement and so on...... Sorry I know I'm not the only one asking for help. Just feel like I'm sinking here. Thx

 

[Seadoobuddy]

HI,
there are 4 other nuts to remove from the bolts. Pull the pump off (the whole casing with the impeller inside)
Be careful if you find shims left on the bolts behind the pump. Write down how many and on what bolt they came from....these help align the motor to the pump. They also could be stuck to the pump instead left on the bolts....go slow.

Hopefully the PO didn't use silicone to attach. the pump to the hull...if he did post back.

Now go and remove the spark plugs and turn the PTO (right behind the motor) and hopefully the motor will turn too.

 

[Jfrymania]

Thanks everybody, I got it all off. With only the drive shaft showing and the impeller housing off. There were no shams behind the pump, not sure if there should have been.??. I pulled the spark plugs out of the engine removed the gray plastic cover......and went to turn................... Nothing, can't budge it. Is there anything else to try or does that mean she's dead? Again thanks for helping me get this far.

 

[Seadoobuddy]

You can use a pipe wrench to get more leverage, or remove the head and peek at the cylinders and pistons.

 

[Jfrymania]

You can use a pipe wrench to get more leverage, or remove the head and peek at the cylinders and pistons.

A pipe wrench? Not sure what that is. When you say remove the head is that the top oh the engine? If so, do I just undo the top 12 bolts and pull off? Do I have to replace a gasket or anything if I do that?

 

[Jfrymania]

2 questions: could there be something with the drive shaft keeping the engine from turning? Is there a chance the starter is still engaged and that's why the engine won't turn over? Trying to go through the steps to figure out this issue, thanks!

 

[LouDoo]

To be brutally honest it does sound like your engine is seized, however there are a couple of things we can try before we condemn the motor. You could have clipped a rave valve, pull both rave valves and see what they look like. The other possibility is the starter could be jammed, so pull the starter and see if you can turn the motor over by hand.

Lou

 

[Dr Honda]

2 questions: could there be something with the drive shaft keeping the engine from turning? Is there a chance the starter is still engaged and that's why the engine won't turn over? Trying to go through the steps to figure out this issue, thanks!

Yes... that's why BMANN06 wanted you to pull the pump. The pump he's talking about is the jet pump. If the bearings give up in the pump... or if there is something stuck in it... that will keep the engine from spinning.

The suggestions of everyone are helpful... but if your engine has physical damage inside... it will show up on the spark plugs. So... pull out the plugs, and post up a picture of them. Generally, when there is an issue, you will see metal on the electrodes... or, they will be smashed. If they come out "Clean"... then we need to search for the issue.

 

[Jfrymania]

Lou, thanks for the honesty. I pulled the starter out but could not figure out to unhook the positive cable so just set it aside. Took the plugs out and the PTO would still not turn.

Tony, I did pull the pump off with the help of BMANN and SDB. However, the question about the driveshaft was if the part where it goes thru the hull could keep the shaft/engine from turning. The resaon for that was there is a round plastic ring that was just hanging on the driveshaft when I pulled the impellar housing off. I attached a picture of the small plastic round ring beside the housing. Also attached is the picture of my spark plugs. I read Snipes corner on how to read but dont think that pertains since the engine cut off. I did not see any metal on the plugs.

I guess my question now would be should I pull the top of the engine off to see the top of the cylinders? What should I be looking for and do I need to replace the gasket if I do this? Or as Lou said. remove the rave valves?

Also, should I reattach the starter to the motor or just leave it off. I figured you guys would tell me to leave the pump off so not asking that.

Whatever the outcome to these questions is, I will look for the answer to my questions before asking but please remember I'm the furthest from being mechanically inclined.

Thanks,

Jeffrey

Update: I pulled the top of the engine off and here is what the top look like. I understaound these are watercooled but does the water surround the cylinder wall? If you can see in the picture then hopefully you understand my question. Not good with verbal judo or mechanical verbage.

 

[Jfrymania]

What does that mean?

Please help. I was able to get a wrench on the pto and it's does move now. :thumbsup: Not sure why though but here is the thing, it only turns clockwise. I keep reading post that it should turn counter clockwise:willy_nilly: it will turn counter clockwise about a inch and a half the catches on something. Really lost now and have no idea what to do next or why it turns by hand now. So far I have removed the pump, starter, top of engine to see the heads ( see the pics in the message above). Let me know what you guys think. Thanks!

 

[BMANN06]

Looks like somethings gone wrong downstairs. What i mean by that is some thing in the lower end. Pull the engine and split the crankcase that will show where the problem is.

 

[Jfrymania]

Is splitting the crankcase somewhat a easy job?I have never done anything like this and don't want to get in over my head. I hate to take it to my dealership since I already had a bad experience there! Which is why I always ask fort help now, lucky y'all.

 

[BMANN06]

No its pretty easy .. the hardest part is getting the motor out of the hull. I would suggest doing this so:

a) you know what failed
b) you know if you have a good core

You can head over to shopsbt.com and get a remanufactured motor with an awesome warranty for around a $1000.00 plus shipping.

 

[Jfrymania]

No its pretty easy .. the hardest part is getting the motor out of the hull. I would suggest doing this so:

a) you know what failed
b) you know if you have a good core

You can head over to shopsbt.com and get a remanufactured motor with an awesome warranty for around a $1000.00 plus shipping.

Thanks for the help, are you suggesting I split the bottom and buy a reman motor from SBT? Is it expensive to redo the bottom end of the engine?
Also, I posted pics of the top of my pistons and plugs, can someone look at them and tell me how they look. Thanks again!

 

[BMANN06]

It be alot easier and cheaper to just go with a rebuilt shortblock. Your top end from pics doesnt look that bad, ill bet a bearing on your crank let go causing this seizure. If money isnt a problem you could bring it to a shop, if dough is tight you can save a pile of cash by doing the work yourself.

 

[Jfrymania]

Hey guys, I am in the process off saving some money up to buy a reman engine from sbt. I was able to get the pto freed up so here's where i'm at. I can hit the start button and the engine will turn over just don't sound like its turning over quick enough to fire.could this be from me turning it over by hand so much its flooded with oil or something else.
The port engine turns over and runs no prob.so don't think its the battery.

 

[Jfrymania]

Can anyone help out please. Thanks