Royal Purple 2 Stroke Syntethic Oil

[Lboogie]

This relates to some recent threads. Does anyone have any advice on this oil or have any experiences with it? I used some in my 1999 GSX Limited. I realize (now) that not all oils are created equal. Engine seems to be running fine but still I worry.

 

[manolocross]

I think that is a TCW-3 oil.... That oil is not good for any seadoo!!! ESPECIALLY a 951 engine which is what you have!!! You need to drain, flush and use BRP FULL SYNTHETIC XPS-2 oil. There are 1000 threads on this subject! A 951 is the largest 2 stroke seadoo made and is high strung and more fragile than you think ESPECIALLY if you use the WRONG oil!!! Good luck!

 

[AdamXP800]

That dang cat is back!!

 

[LouDoo]

I'm pretty sure that is correct it's TCW-3 oil, however if it's API-TC full synthetic oil it's O.K. to use. I also use BRP XPS-2 full synthetic.

Anybody see a dead cat around here?

Lou

 

[AdamXP800]

I'm pretty sure that is correct it's TCW-3 oil, however if it's API-TC full synthetic oil it's O.K. to use. I also use BRP XPS-2 full synthetic.

Anybody see a dead cat around here?

Lou

Haha I guess we were typing at the same time

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

Regardless of what the manufacturer says, if it doesn't have the low ash metal oxides package then it cannot be API-TC. The 951 needs minimum, API-TC LOW ASH FULL SYNTHETIC oil or better, according to the owners manual.

Accept no substitutes and take no wooden nickles!

http://www.sea-doo.net/techarticles/oil/oil.htm

 

[racerxxx]

I think we need a flashing oil sticky.


That cat is losing 8 lives tonight.




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[Lboogie]

I'm missing the whole cat joke. Ill return what I have and use the BRP oil. Thanks again all.

 

[LouDoo]

Someone said once, it might have even been me, "you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an oil thread". Thinking about it, it was probably spim, it sounds like something he would say.

Lou

 

[Dr Honda]

I'm missing the whole cat joke. Ill return what I have and use the BRP oil. Thanks again all.

It was a bad joke....

Here's the inside story....



There is and old saying.... "You can't swing a dead cat without hitting XXXXX." (in reference to a topic that is talked about WAY too much, when there is a Black and White answer) In a thread, a while back... someone took it VERY serious (like we were going to kill a cat, or his cat... or something like that) so the thread had to be shut down, and a few people were removed from the board.



So...in this case.... the XXXXX would be... "an oil thread/debate"




Here's the deal... a Good TC-w3 oil is not an instant death to a seadoo engine. So, it's hard to judge with saying... "It seems to be running well." As sportster said... you need the metal salts, and Azo Complexes to act as an extreme pressure lubricant. TC-w3 don't have them, because it's an oil that is specifically meant to be environmentally friendly with the fish.

With that said... the 951 engine may only run 250 hrs... if run on the proper oil. On a TC-w3 it may only run 150 total.



2-stroke oils are not the same as automotive oils. There are A LOT of classes of oils... and they are not all the same. the API-TC or JASO-FC are some of the best protecting 2-stroke oils made. A TC-w3 CAN NOT even come close to the lube and protection qualities. Because of the difference in the additives... there can NEVER be a dual spec oil. PERIOD.



So... trying to save a few $$$ on oil, can cost you a $1000 engine.

 

[Lboogie]

Sorry didn't mean to reignite the great oil debate!! Purple Royal's packaging is a bit deceiving. Nothing on there states it is TC-w3 (could be in the fine print though).

 

[summer]

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You should just make that your avatar :thumbsup:

 

[Dr Honda]

Sorry didn't mean to reignite the great oil debate!! Purple Royal's packaging is a bit deceiving. Nothing on there states it is TC-w3 (could be in the fine print though).

You are fine. But, in every seadoo... right by the oil fill neck... there is a stickers saying..."Use API-TC. Never use TC-w3." So honestly, there should never be a debate on this.

The problem arises when guys say... "I've been using XXXX brand TC-w3 oil, and it's fine." But, they fail to say, for how long, or in what engine. To be very honest... in the old engines... it will work for a long time. (The ones that only make 60 hp) But, from the 657x engine and higher... there is a marked life depreciation.

Oh... and the other problem is... the additives packs don't mix !!! The story of... "Do not mix 2-stoke oils" is not just an old wives tale. It's not as bad as it was long ago... but there is still a real issue were mixing the oils (because you just needed oil one day, and you bought something that the gas station had) can lead to the oils "Gel'ing". When that happens, the system plugs up, and your engine get's roasted. This is also why the oil injection got a bad wrap. People would be careless (and cheap) with the oils, and when the system plugged from user error... they would say the pump sucks.


Here's a cut open filter from someone who blamed the oil injection failing, for the loss of the engine. I had to point out, that the pump didn't fail. It was his fault for killing the engine. (by mixing oils) So... if you are changing brands... clean out the tank !!!!!

 

[Spimothy Leary]

Someone said once, it might have even been me, "you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an oil thread". Thinking about it, it was probably spim, it sounds like something he would say.

Lou

not me...

my cat/seadoo analogies relate only to "can I put turbo on my 2 stroke" threads.

 

[SabrToothSqrl]

Swinging a dead cat refers to a physical space, however, the part about not hitting... an oil thread... is funny.

someone search for dead cat, and find the original lol.

cats, are apparently often used for this type of thing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mor1.htm

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/no-room-to-swing-a-cat.html

 

[SabrToothSqrl]

Found it.... 2010... DOC!

First to put "dead cat" and oil together...


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You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a oil thread here. Just look around, and you will find your answer... but... Seadoo's use expensive oil.

 

[Lboogie]

Thanks again for all the great advice. If any of you guys are in upstate NY (Finger Lakes area) I will buy you dinner and gas up your ski!!

 

[racerxxx]

Leaving now, watch out I can eat.

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[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

Each year I use a live cat to clean my chimney by tying a rope to him and lowering him down in.. It's not swinging him around and he isn't dead or anything, so maybe it doesn't apply????

 

[Lboogie]

Leaving now, watch out I can eat.

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Come on down buddy!

 

[summer]

Each year I use a live cat to clean my chimney by tying a rope to him and lowering him down in.. It's not swinging him around and he isn't dead or anything, so maybe it doesn't apply????

Is that clawed or declawed? I would think the claws would help with the cleaning.

 

[LouDoo]

Question asked and answered, closing thread............

Lou