Price to program a new key - YIKES!!

[scrisp]

Just went to Motor City Powersports to price a new key and have it programmed for my XP. OMG, I guess the new keys much be made of platinum. lol

They wanted $60 for the key and $75 to program it. I asked if i could simply bring in the control module and they said no, I would need to bring in the entire Doo and it would need a fully charged battery.

I don't really need a key, mine works fine, but would like to have a backup, JIC.

Nothing like raping people...

 

[Coastiejoe]

[MENTION=41828]Minnetonka4me[/MENTION] does them at a discount for members.

 

[rolex101]

I had to get a new key for mine, so I called a dealer in Panama City Florida and they wanted $90. I thought it was very high considering the work involved, so I called the dealer in Columbus GA and they wanted $25 needless to say which one I went with.

 

[Seadoobuddy]

I bought a new key at Action YamahaKawiseadoo in Bradenton Fl, when Brad clark worked there. Key was $50 and free programming.

$75 to program a key that takes about 3 minutes is a rip off. I hope you didn't buy the key.

 

[Seadoobuddy]

I think Nick charges $20 but you must sent the key and MPEM to him.

I just PM'd (Facebook) a friend who works in the parts dep't. He was in Sales, but never in Service.

 

[scrisp]

I bought a new key at Action YamahaKawiseadoo in Bradenton Fl, when Brad clark worked there. Key was $50 and free programming.

$75 to program a key that takes about 3 minutes is a rip off. I hope you didn't buy the key.

Oh heck no, I thanked them and walked out. The place doesn't seem as great since it was when it was Anderson's.

Have you been on the lake yet? I went to Lake Oakland the other day, just to let them run for a few minutes. The water was warmer than I expect, i figured that we'd still see icebergs until July. lol

 

[Coastiejoe]

I think Nick charges $20 but you must sent the key and MPEM to him.

I just PM'd (Facebook) a friend who works in the parts dep't. He was in Sales, but never in Service.

$30 is what he charges.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

$30 is what he charges.

Yip. $30.
Just sent one up to Tonka on thursday. It's already on the way back.

My key was broken, no choice.

 

[scrisp]

Yip. $30.
Just sent one up to Tonka on thursday. It's already on the way back.

My key was broken, no choice.

You were able to just send the MPEM right? I'm not sure why the dealership would me to bring the entire Doo in, maybe it's just easier for them to do, you know, considering how hard they have to work for that $75, programming a key. lol

I only have one key, but the cap broke on my SPX and this one looks very similar, so I figured before it got warm, I better get a spare made.

If you replace the post, there is nothing special about them is there, as in they need to be matched to the key? Mine just has chips and looks crappy, so was thinking of replacing it.

 

[Coastiejoe]

You were able to just send the MPEM right? I'm not sure why the dealership would me to bring the entire Doo in, maybe it's just easier for them to do, you know, considering how hard they have to work for that $75, programming a key. lol

I only have one key, but the cap broke on my SPX and this one looks very similar, so I figured before it got warm, I better get a spare made.

If you replace the post, there is nothing special about them is there, as in they need to be matched to the key? Mine just has chips and looks crappy, so was thinking of replacing it.

Yes, just the MPEM needed in his case. Some dealers do not have the separate machine for keys but they all have a master type machine. They can plug into the ski/boat, but not the MPEM

 

[ski-d00]

There is no separate machine to program keys. No dealer will program the MPEM out of a ski. Nick built his own wiring setup that mimics it being in a ski with a DESS post, battery, etc. The older ones are programmed through the DESS post while the newer ones, around 2000 and up, are programmed through the service connector. The DESS post is a common part(older ones are 3 wire, newer are 4 wire type), the keys have their own chip in them that the MPEM gets programmed to accept their specific code.

Your 95 SPX does not have DESS so no programming needed, just a finger to push the lanyard button down will work.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

You were able to just send the MPEM right? I'm not sure why the dealership would me to bring the entire Doo in, maybe it's just easier for them to do, you know, considering how hard they have to work for that $75, programming a key. lol

I only have one key, but the cap broke on my SPX and this one looks very similar, so I figured before it got warm, I better get a spare made.

If you replace the post, there is nothing special about them is there, as in they need to be matched to the key? Mine just has chips and looks crappy, so was thinking of replacing it.

the posts's do not need to be matched to the key (not 100% sure if all posts have the exact same wires) I have a couple of posts in my garage but the back of my brain is telling me some are 3 wire some are 2...

re: making a spare, although the idea of making a spare isn't a terrible idea, its going to cost you shipping both ways, + key + programming, $75 ish ???? I'm a cheap azz so personally I'd wait for the (if/when) other key to break then send it in. OR.... dig up a used dess key from another ski and program that, save the cost of a new key and only pay programming...

also, as posted above,,, I don't think the 95 is a dess model either, so look into that first, any key should work *but i've never tried a random dess key on a non dess model*

 

[racerxxx]

It "could" be a DESS if someone installed the accessory DESS kit.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

It "could" be a DESS if someone installed the accessory DESS kit.

That would have been a terrible idea then and now....

I Love Doo's and dislike very few things about them, but the Dess is most definitely on top of the short list. Many many millions of Dollars and thousands of Hours have been wasted because of those dam things.

I'm curious now.. has anyone tried to just pop any random dess key onto a non dess ski? does it work ?

 

[ski-d00]

Doesn't work, the DESS has a larger hole. For non-DESS, there is just a spring loaded switch you can put your finger on and off you go.

I completely disagree with your view on DESS. It has saved millions of dollars in theft. SeaDoo has the best anti-theft device in the industry and shows in number of stolen units as well as recovered stolen units. The really smart thieves get ahold of programmers but as we all know, 99% of thieves are just plain stupid and don't want to expend any real effort, so they pass on SeaDoos and move on to the others.

 

[scrisp]

Sorry for the confusion, I have 2 keys for the SPX (and 2 broken ones that could be fixed). I only have 1 for the XP, and after the crappy, short summer we had last year, I don't want to be stuck without a key on any hot days.

I'm rarely pro-active, so I'm trying to turn over a new leaf. lol

 

[Minnetonka4me]

Let me know if I can help...My service is the exact reason why I do it; bc of con artist dealers like the one you went to.

Yes all I need is the MPEM and your current key.

I can also program multiple MPEMs to multiple keys so if you have two dess machines and you switch riders you dont have to switch keys.

 

[pwgsx]

Wow even at the stealership here, the key was $40 and free programming. It takes 2 mins.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

Doesn't work, the DESS has a larger hole. For non-DESS, there is just a spring loaded switch you can put your finger on and off you go.

I completely disagree with your view on DESS. It has saved millions of dollars in theft. SeaDoo has the best anti-theft device in the industry and shows in number of stolen units as well as recovered stolen units. The really smart thieves get ahold of programmers but as we all know, 99% of thieves are just plain stupid and don't want to expend any real effort, so they pass on SeaDoos and move on to the others.

first, reminder I said its on the top of the things that "I" dislike, a huge annoyance for me....

re: theft...

ya, i'm sure it helps, although i've never seen any hardcore studies on the subject, I did a quick google check and Yamaha was #1 stolen, Seadoo right behind at #2., but it didn't give and real data or hard numbers.

Quite honestly (thinking like a thief here) If i'm stealing a pwc its not so I can ride it but its so I can strip it down for parts, AND, according to google, 90% of Thefts are watercraft under 20 feet on a trailer. So if a criminal see's a pair of SD's on a trailer sitting on somebody's side yard, I can't imagine that they would say... "nah, seadoo's, lets keep driving around" (not to mention that the vast majority of us keep our dess lanyard in the ski's glove box) I'm assuming a thief will steal anything that's left unattended and if given a choice of two trailer's with ski's on them, they'll simply steal the newer ski's no matter who made them.

I will admit, its a deterrent, just not that its enough to compensate for the inconvenience of losing a key and having to go to the dealer to overpay for a new one. I have no idea how many key's are lost in a given year but I assume its a pretty high number, and a nice revenue source for dealers.

 

[Waterluvr]

Spim there is (always has been) an option for guys like you that really don't like or want the DESS function on the Doo's it can be turned off with the touch of a button on any MPEM they made. You don't hear much about it, originally a race tune capable hand held programmer was required or a dealer with a Megatech license attached to their annual Bud's renewal to access that programming option.

From that point on when it's disabled any dess key will work on the post to complete the ground circuit or you can use any mechanical lanyard switch / key combo to replace it, the white comm wire from the module to the post is no longer active and looking for the chip code and the black ground wire just needs to be switched back to the module on the black w/yellow tracer.

 

[jkur10a]

Wow even at the stealership here, the key was $40 and free programming. It takes 2 mins.

Yep, same here. I'd say look for a different dealer. $60 for the key alone is ridiculous, let along $75 to program it. $40 is a great price for the key, my dealer charges $44 and change including tax, but also include free programming as long as you buy the key from them. As others have mentioned though, you of course have to bring the machine in to have them program it, which should be self explanatory anyways.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

Spim there is (always has been) an option for guys like you that really don't like or want the DESS function on the Doo's it can be turned off with the touch of a button on any MPEM they made. You don't hear much about it, originally a race tune capable hand held programmer was required or a dealer with a Megatech license attached to their annual Bud's renewal to access that programming option.

From that point on when it's disabled any dess key will work on the post to complete the ground circuit or you can use any mechanical lanyard switch / key combo to replace it, the white comm wire from the module to the post is no longer active and looking for the chip code and the black ground wire just needs to be switched back to the module on the black w/yellow tracer.

wow ! great info.

<mind blown gif>

 

[Waterluvr]

wow ! great info.

<mind blown gif>

You can go all kinds of mad scientist at home and not spend a penny on key programming anymore so long as you have one good functional lanyard already programmed to an MPEM. Find the short length of white wire with the grey tracer that comes out of the module with a female bullet connector end and unplug it. All you need to do is silver solder a short piece of wire to the contact in the top of the lanyard cap, loose the float and tether and install a male connector on the other end of that wire and plug it back in right there at the module on the white w/grey tracer wire and the DESS security in the module stays happy from there on out.

Any dess lanyard will work on the post then as it just needs to switch the black & black w/yellow trace. You can get rid of the dess post and use cheaper more effective options like these and get rid of the magnetic switch and keys altogether.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHORELINE-M...PWC-/181699450561?hash=item2a4e2196c1&vxp=mtr

That eliminates the white wire coded ciruit