Looking at a 150 Speedster - 155hp enough?

[gerapau]

I wasn't aware that it used two systems. That makes sense now, thanks. So, how do you drain the open loop part of the system? Also, where is the water pickup for it located? Thanks.

Yep, the closed loop system for the engine (which is good if you run on salt water) and the open loop system for the intercooler and the exhaust. Most of the exhaust is self draining but the intercooler and the exhaust manifold are not. To protect them from freezing you have to remove some hoses and poor some anti-freeze in.

The water for the open loop system is supplied by a pressurized area in the jet pump.

 

[vilord]

The open loop system also goes through the heat exchanger to cool the closed loop system

 

[kwiktsi]

Not unreliable.

Just like I said...one more thing to go wrong.

Gotcha. The way you said "if they are anything like they are on cars" made it sound like you were implying they are all unreliable. Not true at all, that's all .
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

Yep, the closed loop system for the engine (which is good if you run on salt water) and the open loop system for the intercooler and the exhaust. Most of the exhaust is self draining but the intercooler and the exhaust manifold are not. To protect them from freezing you have to remove some hoses and poor some anti-freeze in.

The water for the open loop system is supplied by a pressurized area in the jet pump.

Thanks for the info, do you have any diagrams on this so I know what to pull/drain?

The open loop system also goes through the heat exchanger to cool the closed loop system

I thought the heat exchanger was the ride plate and that got cooled by being submerged. I only saw the two hoses going to it and they are both from the closed loop system. Is there another one somewhere?

 

[vilord]

Hmm. I haven't seen the boats directly, its just what I'd been reading. The heat exchanger might be for inboard/outboards rather than jetboats.

EDIT: Looked over the diagrams, you're quite right, it uses the ride plate for cooling just like a snowmobile.

 

[tawood]

In my opinion...lol

I think ya all are nuts!!! An extra 60 hp on a boat that already is overpowered??? Ya, right!
I've got a 135hp sportster le that I waterski, wake board, tube and travel at 50 mph (gps), that boat is MORE than enough.

Of course, I learned to waterski behind a 35 hp outboard on a 17 footer, so what do I know.

 

[vilord]

tawood, you have a really good point. I'm sure you'd be fine with either one.

Earlier I stated that if it was me I'd spend the extra, but in fact, I wouldn't spend that much on either one, hence the '97 challenger 110hp which will have more than enough to get me through the water with a total cost of less than the surcharge for the supercharger...

 

[bmmikee]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the help - I honestly didn't know there were anymore replies. I've decided i'm going to go with the 155hp, I think it will do everything I want and be less of a hassle down the road...plus 2 grand cheaper can't hurt. I'm going tomorrow to look at them.

 

[ryanlberg]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the help - I honestly didn't know there were anymore replies. I've decided i'm going to go with the 155hp, I think it will do everything I want and be less of a hassle down the road...plus 2 grand cheaper can't hurt. I'm going tomorrow to look at them.

where you going to look?

 

[seadoosnipe]

Ride plate........

Just to make sure the point is clear. The ride plate is the heat exchanger for the closed loop cooling system of all 4-TEC engines.

The open loop supplies the exhaust with water injection and in the supercharged models, have an intercooler that is a heat exhanger that is cooled by the open loop system.

It is very important while winterizing these models, that you disconnect those two hoses, drain the water and put antrifreeze (50/50 mix) in them and clamp the hoses up higher than the cooler......

 

[vilord]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all the help - I honestly didn't know there were anymore replies. I've decided i'm going to go with the 155hp, I think it will do everything I want and be less of a hassle down the road...plus 2 grand cheaper can't hurt. I'm going tomorrow to look at them.

The only thing I could possibly suggest to make your decision final, would be to test drive both of them on a lake nearby. If you are planning to drop that much money on a boat, the dealer should let you try it out first to be sure you like it.

 

[gerapau]

It is very important while winterizing these models, that you disconnect those two hoses, drain the water and put antrifreeze (50/50 mix) in them and clamp the hoses up higher than the cooler......

I believe that BRP recommends that you use undiluted antifreeze for this, not the 50/50 stuff.

 

[kwiktsi]

It is very important while winterizing these models, that you disconnect those two hoses, drain the water and put antrifreeze (50/50 mix) in them and clamp the hoses up higher than the cooler......

Which two hoses? Where are they located? Is it in the owners manual? If so, I'll just look there. Thanks snipe!
Joe

 

[skiyak777]

I can honestly tell you that the longer you have the boat, the more you get into watersports and such and start wishing you had something- more power, "should have got the wakeboard rack", maybe a bigger boat would have been better, etc.

I have a Speedster 200 430 HP and just got a Speedster 150 155 HP (the bigger boat won't fit though a tunnel to access my local lake for after work fun.)

The 155 HP engine is plenty for watersports. I weigh 200 and its no harder getting up than it is with 430 HP. Its also easier to maintain a constant speed- with the 200 I had to install perfect pass, because it gets on plane at about 19-20 mph (desired wakeboarding speed) and is constantly going on and off plane, especally if you have to turn. I think the less powerful engine in the 150 keeps it from accelerating past the desired speed so quickly and makes it easier to control. It doesn't seem to require much throttle adjustment to maintain constant speed through turns, either.

Another advantage of the 155 HP engine is that you don't have to worry about water freezing in the intercooler- I plan on using the boat until December or so and I don't want the hassle of having to flush the intercooler with antifreeze every time I pull the boat out of the water if it might go below freezing at night. The dealer told me that the exhaust will drain itself as long as the boat is parked nose up, but the intercooler won't.

The disadvantages of the 150 are that, realistically, you're not going to want to wakeboard with more than 3 people in it, and it doesn't have the capacity to add ballast to create a big wake like the 200 does. The 215 HP engine isn't going to change that.

 

[gerapau]

Another advantage of the 155 HP engine is that you don't have to worry about water freezing in the intercooler- I plan on using the boat until December or so and I don't want the hassle of having to flush the intercooler with antifreeze every time I pull the boat out of the water if it might go below freezing at night. The dealer told me that the exhaust will drain itself as long as the boat is parked nose up, but the intercooler won't.

Be careful. The service manual tells you to pour antifreeze into the exhaust manifold when winterizing because it isn't self draining. Maybe parking with the nose up helps that but be careful anyway.

 

[vilord]

The dealer told me that the exhaust will drain itself as long as the boat is parked nose up

And you might want to get something in writing from the dealer stating that if it does freeze and break something, they'll pay to fix it.

 

[PayVay]

Honestly now that I think about it, I would probably only do some tubing - not sure how intensive that is compared to wakeboarding.

You will have PLENTY of power for tubing... there was 2 people on the tube and 4 in my boat and I never thought I'd need more power... Trust me lol

 

[sporsterjoel]

You will have PLENTY of power for tubing... there was 2 people on the tube and 4 in my boat and I never thought I'd need more power... Trust me lol

if you want the most power you can get, you can get a speedster 150 with 255hp now...

 

[PayVay]

if you want the most power you can get, you can get a speedster 150 with 255hp now...

thanks mate, but I'm fine with my boat

 

[sporsterjoel]

thanks mate, but I'm fine with my boat

ya im good with mine... I am very intrested it what the performance stats are for the 255hp....

 

[PayVay]

I would go with the 215hp! You don't want to get the 155hp and find out later that it's harder to enjoy watersports!

Harder to enjoy watersports? Come on lol... I swear on god the 155HP has PLENTY of power for watersports! Did you ever try the 155HP?

 

[sporsterjoel]

Harder to enjoy watersports? Come on lol... I swear on god the 155HP has PLENTY of power for watersports! Did you ever try the 155HP?

:agree: it had lots, i have a 155hp and i can water ski and wake board. and a matter of fact the first time i ever wakeboarded was with my 155hp and got up very first try..... when i was about 8 a waterskied behind a 9.9hp. GO DRIVE a 155hp and a 215hp and see what one is best of your serious then the dealer will let you try them both.... and if your still worried about it then get the 255hp and be done with it...

 

[factory81]

I think 155hp is underpowered myself after doing some math. Think about it, there are jet skis with way larger engines pulling just one person around. Now you have a boat weighing more and you want to put 2-3-4 people on the thing.

200hp+ I think is needed.

 

[vilord]

I think 155hp is underpowered myself after doing some math. Think about it, there are jet skis with way larger engines pulling just one person around. Now you have a boat weighing more and you want to put 2-3-4 people on the thing.

200hp+ I think is needed.

This from the guy with a 110hp boat that he himself said kicks a**.


You can't figure this out with math, you have to find a dealer that will let you TEST RIDE both boats (bring the whole family). If you can tell the difference, get the supercharged '09 with 255hp. If you can't, save some cash, get the 155.

 

[sporsterjoel]

This from the guy with a 110hp boat that he himself said kicks a**.

:agree: I was thinkin the same thing, not to mention that a challenger weights more then a speedster.... I OWN A 155hp and it has more then enough power