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Help me order my C180 Impeller...Please

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Craigmri

Craigmri

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Guys,

Had the boat out on Crystal River today. I'm just not happy with the holeshot. The boat cavitates too much. I get out of the hole just fine if I progressively apply throttle. To add to the matter towards the end of the trip I must have sucked up a bunch of sea weed and I had a real hard time getting up on plane. Once I got home I cleaned a bunch of it out and I found nothing in either the intake or the outlet to suggest damage but I dont care anyway as I've been wanting to replace the impeller anyway.

So help me out......I want the following:

Solas Impeller. Whats the difference between the regular one Solas sells and the Solas "R" model that Riva sells? Is there another brand available for the 215hp Challenger 180?

Wear ring. Should I just stick with another OEM plastic one?

Tool. I assume I need a special impeller tool???

If anyone who has performed this job on the challenger is willing to discuss this job with me on the phone I would be extremely grateful. No way am I taking it to the dealer for this project.

Craig
 
Just got off the phone with a parts guy from Riva racing...WHAT A D*CK! Had to practically argue with him to purchase an impeller and wear ring. Needless to say, I told him I wont be giving them my business. can anyone tell me where to go to get a good impeller for my C180?

Craig
 
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My research

I have an 07 Speedster 200 430HP......I am looking at Solas 13/18r, on stock at 3000 feet I am only turning 7600 rpms at WOT. The 13/18 should get my rpms up closer to the rev. Not sure what rpms you are turning at WOT, but if you are close to the rev limiter, a Solas 14/19 may fit your boat better, Solas has a chart on their site, I have seen the Solas impellers @246.00 shipped. As far as wear rings go, plastic seems to be a recreational/sacraficial part......stainless more to performance/racing?? my thoughts.....plus you can sell off your stock prop to semi fund the new purchase..

I too want a cleaner hole shot, pull wakeboarders and tubes mostly....


FWIW Ned
 
ncarbon,

I've decided to replace the wear ring and see how it performs...if no improvement then I'm going either Solas or Skat Trak.

Craig
 
Impeller?...

Craigmri said:
ncarbon,

I've decided to replace the wear ring and see how it performs...if no improvement then I'm going either Solas or Skat Trak.

Craig
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I just bought a new Solas and this place had some great deals on impellers. You can give them a ring verses using their web site. I'd call and speak with Teresa. Tell her what you want, what your boat is and she'll hook you up. If you can't, ask for Mike.

Tell them that your from Seadooforum.com and they might give you a good deal. The best part, I ordered the wrong impeller for my GTX and when I spoke with Mike, he said to box it back up and he'd send me the right one.

So, give that place a try. As for the wearing ring, you can see what kind of prices they offer but SBT has them for under $40 bucks.

And yes, you will need the impeller removal tool.
 
I am still amazed with the poor economy that businesses still have poor customer service. Wow!:rant:
 
Been there, done that!

Sikiguya said:
I am still amazed with the poor economy that businesses still have poor customer service. Wow!:rant:
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Although I was not there and I've known Craigmri for quite some time, I don't think it was as it looked.

If I were to guess, or give an opinion, I have a feeling, he called looking for info and the person he first spoke with, couldn't give an answer so they said hold on, I'll transfer you. The guy may have been working on something, hands dirty and no-one else there to pick up the phone but him.

So, now annoyed, all this guy wanted to do was get off the phone. I know it sounds bad but I have been in a position before myself, when I had my hands full and the phone would ring. Not one sole around could find a second to pick up the phone, so it left me, the low guy on the totem pole and it really provoked me because I had to stop what I was doing, then, lost my place and had to start all over again.

We all have bad days. We can speculate all day, why the guy was being a jerk. But, the bottom line is, we could not see on his end of the phone.:cheers:
 
Thanks Snipe....I'll order my tool and solas tomorrow. Will I need to cut out the old wear ring or can I reverse it and re-use? I ordered a new ring anyway but I'm just wondering if I can get more use from each ring.

Craig
 
No, one way rings...

No, the wearing ring is a one way ring, you can not re-use them.

I use a dremel with a cut bit on the end of it. It's easier to control. It cuts about a 1/8" groove into it.

This year is the first year I got one of those new solid teflon wearing rings. It seems to be a lot more durable than the older ones that had that outer layer of hard rubber.

If you get the newer solid teflon ring, you'll notice on one side, it's very flat and smooth. On the other side, there is a slight groove formed into it. This is the part that is outward and seals at your shoe (ride plate). It drops right it, no need to put in freezer and looks like, when it's time, it'll pop right out.

Good luck!.............:cheers:
 
Fyi

You can reverse your wear ring, I was sent the wrong one, and had read reversing was possible, and it was while I waited for the right one. I pulled my ring with out cutting it. I believe the reversing is only with the 4 tec's. The Part number you listed is the old part number from the BRP catalog, 267000372 is the new repacement part number. In my 07, although it lists *105 as my wear ring, my boat had the replacements already in it.


FYI


Ned
 
I have the same problem with cavitation out of hole with my 08 speedster 430. I hit a stump at the begining of the season and was going to re-impeller it when the engines and pumps were removed. I searched and searched to find an impellar that would improve the holeshot. I found nothing that said it would improve over the stock impeller. I am really anxious to see what you find out. If I am pulling a skier it is really hard to get them out of the water decent and not run it against the limiter. I think it will just be that way because of wieght and the size of the pump.
 
That is weird.....

I talked to a guy who has done a lot of prop swapping and here is what he told me:

That altitude, and no mods, and considering the RPMs you're currently turning, I bet a couple of 13/18s is much more what you need. I loved my 13/18, back when I was close to stock. A world of difference in acceleration over the OEM 10/21 prop. I was turning 8000 before and 8100 after. You will get no top speed gain, but the only way to get that is horsepower, or make the hull more efficient. Too much prop can give you slower acceleration AND slower top speed. I couldn't turn a 14/19 properly until a stage 2 SC and IC setup.

I am hoping for more hole shot, we will see next year!!!

Ned
 
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I am not really after a top speed increase, 62 is good for now. I do hate the cavitation out of the hole. It will turn 7900 now.
 
Propeller?.....

ncarbon said:
I talked to a guy who has done a lot of prop swapping and here is what he told me:

That altitude, and no mods, and considering the RPMs you're currently turning, I bet a couple of 13/18s is much more what you need. I loved my 13/18, back when I was close to stock. A world of difference in acceleration over the OEM 10/21 prop. I was turning 8000 before and 8100 after. You will get no top speed gain, but the only way to get that is horsepower, or make the hull more efficient. Too much prop can give you slower acceleration AND slower top speed. I couldn't turn a 14/19 properly until a stage 2 SC and IC setup.

I am hoping for more hole shot, we will see next year!!!

Ned
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You know how some people have one of those compulsive obsesive kinda things........well, I got one too. It's the word "prop" when referring to our impellers when they have no correlation to each other, with exception that they both are part of a drive train. A propeller is the one component on an outboard (or inboard) that pushes the boat through the water. The impeller actually plays a part in the bigger picture of how the boat/ski moves. In comparison, the propeller is like the propeller on an airplane while the impeller is more like the turbine engine of a jet aircraft. The jet pump unit of our boats/skis are compressors, designed to create high thrust at low volume.
.......Sorry, it's just one of my pet peeves. No direct criticism intended.

Your best bet for finding that hole shot is pretty simple, you have to choose the right impeller. I just bought the Solas Concord and I'm planned out in a matter of seconds. Before, it's like going to full throttle, I was "spinning out" before actually hooking up and moving. Like explained by "ncarbon" progressive pitch has to match engine horsepower. If you buy an impeller with to much pitch, the motor will not have the horsepower to turn up max rev's. But, if you get one that is much less, you'll max out RPM's but not max out your top speed.

One of our members, Scooper77515, turned me on to a web site that has great deals on performance parts. They are a fairly new company so they have some pretty good prices. The best part, the guy who owns the shop is usually the one you can speak to if you call. I called and told him my problem and he knew exactly what I needed to get my hole shot. He was right on the money. Now, she jumps out of the hole, nearly throwing me off the back.

I dont' remember his name but I think it's Mike. You can PM Scooper77515, he may remember the name. But, I'm certain he can hook you up with the right impeller. Check out his website and you might find just what your looking for. His site is dedicated to skis but he sells to boats. Scooper got one at half price because it was a return.

As for the reversing the wearing rings?.........I have never put one on a 4-TEC yet but I can tell you, you can not reverse them on the 2-strokes. There is a flat edge on one side that rests agains't the stator vane base and the outer edge has a groove in it for sealing.

For those who may now be seeing the solid white wearing rings. This is the new design. I love it. It's a type of teflon that gives the same protection but increases the durability of the ring, ensuring that it last a lot longer. The older rings with the hard rubber lining was easily damaged when picking up a stick or rock. This is not the case in the newer ones. Oh, and you can eleminate the freezer part of the installation process.:cheers:
 
seadoosnipe said:
You know how some people have one of those compulsive obsesive kinda things........well, I got one too. It's the word "prop" when referring to our impellers when they have no correlation to each other, with exception that they both are part of a drive train. A propeller is the one component on an outboard (or inboard) that pushes the boat through the water. The impeller actually plays a part in the bigger picture of how the boat/ski moves. In comparison, the propeller is like the propeller on an airplane while the impeller is more like the turbine engine of a jet aircraft. The jet pump unit of our boats/skis are compressors, designed to create high thrust at low volume.
.......Sorry, it's just one of my pet peeves. No direct criticism intended.

Your best bet for finding that hole shot is pretty simple, you have to choose the right impeller. I just bought the Solas Concord and I'm planned out in a matter of seconds. Before, it's like going to full throttle, I was "spinning out" before actually hooking up and moving. Like explained by "ncarbon" progressive pitch has to match engine horsepower. If you buy an impeller with to much pitch, the motor will not have the horsepower to turn up max rev's. But, if you get one that is much less, you'll max out RPM's but not max out your top speed.

One of our members, Scooper77515, turned me on to a web site that has great deals on performance parts. They are a fairly new company so they have some pretty good prices. The best part, the guy who owns the shop is usually the one you can speak to if you call. I called and told him my problem and he knew exactly what I needed to get my hole shot. He was right on the money. Now, she jumps out of the hole, nearly throwing me off the back.

I dont' remember his name but I think it's Mike. You can PM Scooper77515, he may remember the name. But, I'm certain he can hook you up with the right impeller. Check out his website and you might find just what your looking for. His site is dedicated to skis but he sells to boats. Scooper got one at half price because it was a return.

As for the reversing the wearing rings?.........I have never put one on a 4-TEC yet but I can tell you, you can not reverse them on the 2-strokes. There is a flat edge on one side that rests agains't the stator vane base and the outer edge has a groove in it for sealing.

For those who may now be seeing the solid white wearing rings. This is the new design. I love it. It's a type of teflon that gives the same protection but increases the durability of the ring, ensuring that it last a lot longer. The older rings with the hard rubber lining was easily damaged when picking up a stick or rock. This is not the case in the newer ones. Oh, and you can eleminate the freezer part of the installation process.:cheers:
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Sorry to have pushed your pet peeve button, I appreciate what your getting at. I hope you aren't too offended.

Ned
 
Never offended....

No Ned..........I'm never offended. Maybe I came across the wrong way. When I say pet peeve, that may have been a wrong choice of words.

I was just wanting to make sure I got the point across that we members and owners of jet boats are proud of our "jet drive" units. When you make reference to a properller, it's like a Harley Davidson rider hearing reference that his bike sounds like a "rice burner".........that's all. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. That's why I specifically stated, "no direct criticism intended". Becuase I did not want to offend you.

This is a forum. We all can speak freely and we can disagree. I have spent several hours in research explaining the difference between a propeller and impeller a few years ago. I have not heard a member refer to his impeller as a propeller in a long while.

If you really want to call it a propeller, then you go right ahead. It truly doesn't matter to me, I just wanted to throw the info out there for ya.....:cheers:
 
I also understand lingo

Yeah, I build RC Helicopters, and alot of people refer to the main blades as propellers....definitley understand and yes I roll my eyes too at times. But by definition they are correct:

Engineering:

A device consisting of a set of two or more twisted, airfoil-shaped blades mounted around a shaft and spun to provide propulsion of a vehicle through water or air, or to cause fluid flow, as in a pump. The lift generated by the spinning blades provides the force that propels the vehicle or the fluidthe lift does not have to result in an actual upward force; its direction is simply parallel to the rotating shaft.

Ned
 
Question???

i was reading this post and noticed that craigs problem was with his whole shot??? i guess not enough ass pulling the boat out of the water to catch plane or wake board.... now i have a 06 challenger and im pretty sure the jets are all stock and i thought it gets it pretty good??? my top speed on gps is like 43ish and i wake board all day long with it! never any ploblems pulling anyone out of the water.... now my question is, am i a lucky one? or is craigs boat wear ring messed up? what kind of impeller did you go with craig? because if i can get more i think id love to do it! :cheers:
 
I bought the Solas SRX-CD 14/19....I have it installed in the pump but I need to reinstall the pump in the boat...Hoepfull I can water test next weekend.

Craig
 
nice!

well i hope it gos well! you have to let me know how it go's! i really intrested to see what kinds of gains you get!!!!


thanks man!

:hurray:
 
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