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Gas Debate
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The stock engine of the seadoo is designed to run on 87 regular pump fuel. Unless it is Supercharged it uses 87. If it is Super Charged then it requires at least 91 octane. Unless you have a hi performance or modified engine you are just wasting your money. If you run 105 octane it isn't going to burn any faster or cleaner. The engine can only burn so much octane. If you advance the timing and modify the engine or raise the compression then you would need higher octane. If you modify the engine and it "pings" It requires high octane to keep it from pinging as the fuel isn't burning properly.
Karl
Karl
popasodatastie
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What about....
Ok so whats the difference between 87 octane and 87 or 89 octane with ethonol? I mean is it acceptable by seadoo standards to run with 10 percent ethonol its usually about 10 cents cheaper what would you run in yours? Sorry i live in Illionis surrounded by corn!
Ok so whats the difference between 87 octane and 87 or 89 octane with ethonol? I mean is it acceptable by seadoo standards to run with 10 percent ethonol its usually about 10 cents cheaper what would you run in yours? Sorry i live in Illionis surrounded by corn!
recommended by Seadoo.....?
Sorry, I have not read anywhere that Seadoo recommends that running E85 is suitable for their engines. Please point this out to us members before we mess up our carbs.........
Ethanol is highly destructive to our Rotax engines. Alcohol and gas do not mix. In the auto industry, they have designed what they call FFV (flex fueled vehicles) that are suitable to run ethanol. Our skis are not FFV type engines.
The biggest difference in vehicles that are FFV vehicles, all rubber and teflon coated materials have been removed. The alcohol in these fuels also have a large moisture content that allows water droplets settle in your carb and we all know what water can do to a common carb...............
No, in case you can't tell, I"m aginst the water polluting ethanol that we are slowl being required to use............:rant:
Sorry, I have not read anywhere that Seadoo recommends that running E85 is suitable for their engines. Please point this out to us members before we mess up our carbs.........
Ethanol is highly destructive to our Rotax engines. Alcohol and gas do not mix. In the auto industry, they have designed what they call FFV (flex fueled vehicles) that are suitable to run ethanol. Our skis are not FFV type engines.
The biggest difference in vehicles that are FFV vehicles, all rubber and teflon coated materials have been removed. The alcohol in these fuels also have a large moisture content that allows water droplets settle in your carb and we all know what water can do to a common carb...............
No, in case you can't tell, I"m aginst the water polluting ethanol that we are slowl being required to use............:rant:
Here in Florida, all the fuel I have ever seen here has up to 10% ethanol. Yes seadoo's are designed to run on that same standard. Use 87 Octane from a know brand, you'll be just fine. If you run it in your auto...use it in your seadoo.
Karl
Karl
Ethanol....
I have been doing research on the E85 now for about a month and from everything I'm finding out from very reputable sources that this fuel is going to cause more damage to the 2 stroke engines than all others.
Without devulging all my research before I have come to a conclusion, the biggest problem is that alcohol and gas/oil do not mix. The ethanol has a problem with attracting moisture and as we all know, water and oil do not mix.
So, if you have a 2 stroke motor that mixes oil for lubricating and combustion, the moisture content in the E85 is going to be very harmful to your oil/fuel ratio, displacing the lubricating qualities of the oil with the non friction, rusting qualities of water.
The E10 is not suppose to be as bad, which is what most fuel stations are using now. But, they will be mixing 85 in the near future.
Ford and Honda are two of the major automakers that have identified this problem and now instituting changes which make the vehicle FFV (flex-fuel vehicles). Once the FFV vehicles are well established, the E85 may turn out to be a well received fuel.
The very last point I'll touch base about is the idea that the biofuels are environmentally friendly. This is actually so far from the truth that it will eventually get a bad wrap from the environmental groups. Although burning the fuel has a smaller carbon footprint in the environment, making it does not. There is more CO2 released into the atmosphere during the process of making the biofuel than there is making it's counterpart, gasoline.
Please stay tuned to "snipes korner" for a full thread on the topic of the biofuel process along with the Nation trying to implement this as an alternative to the fossil fuel problems of carbon pollutants.
I have been doing research on the E85 now for about a month and from everything I'm finding out from very reputable sources that this fuel is going to cause more damage to the 2 stroke engines than all others.
Without devulging all my research before I have come to a conclusion, the biggest problem is that alcohol and gas/oil do not mix. The ethanol has a problem with attracting moisture and as we all know, water and oil do not mix.
So, if you have a 2 stroke motor that mixes oil for lubricating and combustion, the moisture content in the E85 is going to be very harmful to your oil/fuel ratio, displacing the lubricating qualities of the oil with the non friction, rusting qualities of water.
The E10 is not suppose to be as bad, which is what most fuel stations are using now. But, they will be mixing 85 in the near future.
Ford and Honda are two of the major automakers that have identified this problem and now instituting changes which make the vehicle FFV (flex-fuel vehicles). Once the FFV vehicles are well established, the E85 may turn out to be a well received fuel.
The very last point I'll touch base about is the idea that the biofuels are environmentally friendly. This is actually so far from the truth that it will eventually get a bad wrap from the environmental groups. Although burning the fuel has a smaller carbon footprint in the environment, making it does not. There is more CO2 released into the atmosphere during the process of making the biofuel than there is making it's counterpart, gasoline.
Please stay tuned to "snipes korner" for a full thread on the topic of the biofuel process along with the Nation trying to implement this as an alternative to the fossil fuel problems of carbon pollutants.
SLIMCAT
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Well luckily for us up here in eastern pa, Bethlehem, PA exactly, i can still get non ethanol gas at most Shell stations in our area. I run this fuel in our boat as well as the ski. There is a noticeable difference in the ram tow vehicle with mileage and power when towing as compared to ethanol fuel. The price depending on the price wars between stations usually ranges to even price and a few cents more. 87 octane is the fuel of choice on all my vehicles until pinging is heard, but thats usually on the smaller british cars.
another country heard from
cheers
Well luckily for us up here in eastern pa, Bethlehem, PA exactly, i can still get non ethanol gas at most Shell stations in our area. I run this fuel in our boat as well as the ski. There is a noticeable difference in the ram tow vehicle with mileage and power when towing as compared to ethanol fuel. The price depending on the price wars between stations usually ranges to even price and a few cents more. 87 octane is the fuel of choice on all my vehicles until pinging is heard, but thats usually on the smaller british cars.
another country heard from
cheers
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