Ok that is good to know thanks, did not think of the possibility that the starter was stuck while engaged. Have had one starter seized where the driveshaft still turned, but guess it was not extended. Thanks for the idea, will have to wait until I go back up north now next weekend.
Appreciate the offer for the help, but Im pretty stubborn, I hate giving up. Going to try to get through it. Will let you know how I do!
Chris