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BZZZZZZZ noise on speedster

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DeanBrantley

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So after taking a few months off i finally put the new engines in, lots of welding stripped bolt holes, mice living inside the bilge, old lady busting my chops, you know the usual B.S. So anyways i put power to her and sounds like the bilge runs on and off after monkeying with the blower switch at the same time, really weird. At the same time there's a buzzing coming from the circuit board under the cowl. I unplug the hot/ground connector on the board and it stops. Touch the bilge or blower switch again and BZZZZZZZZ. Any thoughts
 
I'm not familiar with this circuitboard, can't think of what it might be there for. The buzzing might be from a relay on the board or does it have an actual buzzer element?

Anyway, I wonder if there's a ground missing thus the circuit is experiencing some kind of ground loop. This doesn't explain to me why the blower and bilge both run simultaneously but if you can measure the voltage across both or either perhaps and discover something unusual such as 9 volts across one and 4 volts the other this might mean they're in series somehow and the current for one is flowing through the other on it's way to ground?

I agree, it does sound strange, any other symptoms of note, such as dimly lit navigation lights or unusual gauge operation at the same time? Maybe there's a ground wire lying somewhere that wasn't connected?
 
I didn't mean they ran simultaneously just that turning on the blower motor while turning on the bilge made it bzzzz. I have know noticed it will do it whenever cycling any of the ACC. switches if i do it several times. I fully charged the battery, so now I've pulled the fuseblock out of the boat. The buzzing is coming from what looks to be a relay molded into the block. Im sure its a bilge pump gizmo. By the way after looking thru 300 pages of the manual and 74 of the wiring diagrams I have found nothing showing how the fuses should be arranged on the fuse-block. Looking at it with the wiring connectors to the left can someone let me know what amp and what order the fuses go in?
 
Actually, you probably can. I believe those only control the lights, bilge and blower and stuff. I'm not sure it cares how many engines there are. I have one off a 97 Challenger that I'll never use again. I can go home and take a look at the part number and see if it matches yours.
 
OK Coastiejoe I charged my brand new gel battery. Still buzzes. There isn't a "buzzer" on the fuse-block Sportster, its a rectangular black box (relay?) molded into the plastic. The wiring diagram show the fuses and their amperage's and the series their in but what fuse is first, 20a or 3a is a guess. One has to know which fuse size is first in the block, and since we use the English system, from left to right. Assuming that the connector side of the fuse-block is the left side. All I need is to know what size fuse is first on the left side of the block.
 
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Tabs are broken but it worked last time I used the boat. $40 and I'll ship it to anywhere in the US.
 
Okay, I see the circuit board now, looks like a relay control board.

So yes I agree, most of the time when a relay starts buzzing it's caused by low voltage (can be caused by a poor ground, corroded connector or a pinched/damaged wire, or even low battery.

But if you have a wiring schematic diagram it's something I don't have access too so hard to say I'd suggest checking the power input while the blower,etc. is turned on and see if voltage drops. Also I'd check the main ground while blower, etc. is turned on and see if there's more than zero volts.

Basically, relays will chatter if there's not enough voltage to hold them in the energized position. The voltage might be fine before you turn on a switch but once the relay energizes the device it's controlling (bilge blower, etc.) begins to draw current and if the connections aren't all good there may be high resistance (or even a short, low impedance, heavy electrical load) that causes the voltage to drop.

If you're blowing fuses, there's probably a low impedance, such as a super-duper cargo chip bilge blower attached, for instance.

BTW, fuses are selected for the size of wire and anticipated load. So if the fuse isn't blowing you know it's large enough and not a problem. But if the fuse does blow it could be too small for the load or, there could be a short or low impedance load drawing more current than the fuse is capable of.

So say for instance you remove a blown 10A fuse and replace it using a 20A fuse, now you're taking a chance the circuit wire gauge might burn and catch on fire in case of a short.

I would guess in your case the 20A fuse you referenced is the main fuse, it more than likely is nearest the main power connector. I say this b/c that's how circuit boards are most often configured, not b/c I'm familiar with the CB you're working with. All of the relay driven devices added together might draw nearly 20A, thus that choice of fuse for main power.

So take your volt meter and measure main power, I'd bet it's that oval 2-pin connector? Measure the power supply voltage there using a couple of diaper pins to back-probe the connector shell and connect your voltmeter to them, make sure not to short the diaper pins together, or if you do you're wearing welding goggles. If you measure 12.5 volts with blower off but drops to less than 11 volts with blower on, the problem is the power supply voltage drops too much to hold the relay in.

Hopefully that makes sense.

So to recap, the switch operates the slave relay, which operates the blower. That's what it looks like to me.

I guess you could've installed 787's but that could be a lot of fun getting all the parts together. Remember, there aren't a ton of these boats still out there and many of us haven't owned that particular model and we don't have the service manual, we're just trying to help based on decades of experience and limited documentation. Fortunately, the circuits aren't particularly complex and it's not a supercomputer.
 
I'm with Sportster. I would say that 99% of the time that a relay or module Buzzes that it is a low voltage issue. Connection, wire, battery,,,,, it could be a bad part within the module as well. So, if you KNOWABLE the battery, wires and connections are good, then I'd replace the module.
 
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