2012 wake 210 -430: Hot Water in the bilge

[MDH19]

Ive just bought a 2012 210 Wake and it is running well but there are a few issues Im having trouble with:

1. The bilge pump is not Working and I cannot find the fuse for it.
2. No water leaks into the boat at night when in the water but after running for a while, the bilge And the ski locker takes on alot of HOT water.
3. The diagrams for the boat are confusing. One shows a single bilge and another shows a port ANDa stbd bilge. is the boat meant to have 1 or 2 bilge pumps? And where are the fuses?

 

[JPass]

3A fuse off the main battery switch I believe.

 

[Digdog]

You can also look in the parts diagrams from the top of the page to help find the fuse, look up your boat and it should show it.

 

[FlyboyX]

hot water indicates an exhaust leak. hook the boat up to a hose on the trailer and run it. look at all of your exhaust connections. you can probably just run your hand across them and feel for spewing water.

 

[MacSeaDoo]

+1 what flyboy says.

To add to that, sometimes they don't leak unless they are under pressure. I basically had a hot water problem and the only way I could see it happening was to basically have someone drive while I had my head down in the engine compartment.

 

[MDH19]

3A fuse off the main battery switch I believe.

Thank You for the reply. Where did you find that diagram? I vent seen it before?

 

[MDH19]

You can also look in the parts diagrams from the top of the page to help find the fuse, look up your boat and it should show it.

Thank You, I did that for my boat but the diagrams dont show the bilge fuse location - just the two engine fuse holders.

 

[MDH19]

+1 what flyboy says.

To add to that, sometimes they don't leak unless they are under pressure. I basically had a hot water problem and the only way I could see it happening was to basically have someone drive while I had my head down in the engine compartment.

Thank You Both for the hot water reply. That sounds right as it is Very Hot river water. Is there a particular place that is vulnerable in the exhaust system on this boat?

 

[Premix]

sometimes they don't leak unless they are under pressure

Definitely pressure will help.

If your boat is secured to the trailer at the ramp, you can run it while it’s on the trailer too.

The US version of these boats have one bilge pump, but Canadian has two pump and an automatic fire extinguisher.

 

[MacSeaDoo]

Definitely pressure will help.

If your boat is secured to the trailer at the ramp, you can run it while it’s on the trailer too.

The US version of these boats have one bilge pump, but Canadian has two pump and an automatic fire extinguisher.

That I didn't know. Seems us Canadians Don't mess around with water or fire.

 

[MDH19]

Ahh, that explains the conflicting diagrams. Thank you. With just the garden hose, how long can i let the engines run?

 

[MacSeaDoo]

I would try the hose but not for more than 5 mins. I would also not bother running the RPM's up because to be honest there will be little to no back pressure out of the water.

What I would do:

1.. Get rid of all the water in the bilge. (Shopvac or pump) You need to get it dry to see where it is coming because the water can be a trickle that is hard to spot if water is already present.
2.. Run it on the hose one engine at a time and get a good flashlight. Focus on the clamped areas, especially the plastic water box areas.
3.. Check under the exhaust cans. (I had a hole in mine due to it touching the inside of the hull and wearing a hole. )

Run it for no more than 5 mins and I would not run any hard RPM on the hard because your carbon seals will take a beating with no water to cool them.

If you come up with nothing.

Take it on the water and get someone to drive while you look with the flashlight. Again, get it dry first.

As mentioned I had a ton of water. Had it out trying to find it many times with no luck. I basically had someone drive while I hung upside down in the engine compartment and found it. For me the trickle was so minor at less than 4000 RPM, you could not see it. When you hit 5 K and above, it went to a full on flow. Mine got worse over time to the point where my pump ran almost continuously.

Welded the hole in my can, now the boat is bone dry.

 

[JPass]

Where did you find that diagram? I vent seen it before?

Got it from the wiring diagram I use for our 210 SE.

We get hot water in the bilge as well. Have yet to find the source. I'd say we see a gallon of water come out the drain plug after each outing. Have yet to see the bilge pump kick on after a day on the water.

 

[MDH19]

I would try the hose but not for more than 5 mins. I would also not bother running the RPM's up because to be honest there will be little to no back pressure out of the water.

What I would do:

1.. Get rid of all the water in the bilge. (Shopvac or pump) You need to get it dry to see where it is coming because the water can be a trickle that is hard to spot if water is already present.
2.. Run it on the hose one engine at a time and get a good flashlight. Focus on the clamped areas, especially the plastic water box areas.
3.. Check under the exhaust cans. (I had a hole in mine due to it touching the inside of the hull and wearing a hole. )

Run it for no more than 5 mins and I would not run any hard RPM on the hard because your carbon seals will take a beating with no water to cool them.

If you come up with nothing.

Take it on the water and get someone to drive while you look with the flashlight. Again, get it dry first.

As mentioned I had a ton of water. Had it out trying to find it many times with no luck. I basically had someone drive while I hung upside down in the engine compartment and found it. For me the trickle was so minor at less than 4000 RPM, you could not see it. When you hit 5 K and above, it went to a full on flow. Mine got worse over time to the point where my pump ran almost continuously.

Welded the hole in my can, now the boat is bone dry.

Wow, Your Amazing, Thank you for the in-depth explanation. I will try all of the above and revert back. While your at it (you seem like an expert) I also notice the boat has a good deal of play in the steering Wheel before engaging in each direction - about 3” total. Is there an adjustment to tighten up the reaction?

Much appreciated.

 

[MDH19]

Got it from the wiring diagram I use for our 210 SE.

We get hot water in the bilge as well. Have yet to find the source. I'd say we see a gallon of water come out the drain plug after each outing. Have yet to see the bilge pump kick on after a day on the water.

Thank You for the reply. I found the diagram and have downloaded the shop manual - very helpful. I still cant find the fuse to the bilge pump itself and from the shop Manuel on the 210 wake it looks take there isn’t one - just the breaker under the Halm and the 3a fuse on the auto feature. Have ordered a new pump anyway as this one looks trashed.

Incidentally, do you guys have the ballast system. Of the 6 pumps in the system, only 2 of them are working and i cant find the fuses for them either???

Best,

 

[MacSeaDoo]

There are 3 x 5 Amp fuses for Ballast. Port, Stbd, Center ballast.

There are 6 pumps. 2 for each tank. 1 of those pumps fills and the other one discharges. All of this is commanded from the center display based on inputs and defined level values from the ballast level sensor in each tank.

Here is the wiring diagram for the ballast system.

 

[MacSeaDoo]

Wow, Your Amazing, Thank you for the in-depth explanation. I will try all of the above and revert back. While your at it (you seem like an expert) I also notice the boat has a good deal of play in the steering Wheel before engaging in each direction - about 3” total. Is there an adjustment to tighten up the reaction?

Much appreciated.

For the steering, you have to remove the control panel to get at the steering assy. There should not be a alot of play there. You will see that the cable is attached to the pivot arm. Check all of the bolts there for play.

Same on the back.

Be careful with the steering system. If something is worn, replace it because if the cable or mechanism breaks while underway you could have a big problem.

 

[MacSeaDoo]

Got it from the wiring diagram I use for our 210 SE.

We get hot water in the bilge as well. Have yet to find the source. I'd say we see a gallon of water come out the drain plug after each outing. Have yet to see the bilge pump kick on after a day on the water.

Did you check to make sure your auto bilge function works. Mine didn't because the battery fuse was blown when I bought it. The pump worked from the switch because that fuse was good.

 

[JPass]

Did you check to make sure your auto bilge function works. Mine didn't because the battery fuse was blown when I bought it. The pump worked from the switch because that fuse was good.

Confirmed it works several times this summer after riding out some nasty storms.

 

[MDH19]

For the steering, you have to remove the control panel to get at the steering assy. There should not be a alot of play there. You will see that the cable is attached to the pivot arm. Check all of the bolts there for play.

Same on the back.

Be careful with the steering system. If something is worn, replace it because if the cable or mechanism breaks while underway you could have a big problem.

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Thank You for that. So I tried the first bit: garden hose flush on the trailer with no water leakage in the bilge. Interestingly though, the port engine had almost no water coming from the exhaust as opposed to the starboard Which was gushing. So, my guess is there is some up with the exhaust system on the port engine. I“LL try it under pressure this weekend when we are out on the water. Meanwhile, I replaced the bilge pump today )pain in the arse to reach) but it works well on manual but auto is not working.

 

[MDH19]

Confirmed it works several times this summer after riding out some nasty storms.

Yes, the auto feature is not working but Manuel finally is - after replacing the pump. There is a 3 amp fuse near the battery that is good but there is a 5 amp fuse that is bad - which i suspect I’d the weed less system fuse - as it is not working either. Will check tomorrow.

 

[MacSeaDoo]

Thank You for that. So I tried the first bit: garden hose flush on the trailer with no water leakage in the bilge. Interestingly though, the port engine had almost no water coming from the exhaust as opposed to the starboard Which was gushing. So, my guess is there is some up with the exhaust system on the port engine. I“LL try it under pressure this weekend when we are out on the water. Meanwhile, I replaced the bilge pump today )pain in the arse to reach) but it works well on manual but auto is not working.

Just to confirm, to test the port engine, you put the hose on the port side hose plug on the port side pump?

Each engine has it's own cooling loop dedicated to it including the Intercooler.

If you did put the hose on it and had no water flow, I would not take it on the water as you should figure out what the problem is.

 

[MDH19]

Just to confirm, to test the port engine, you put the hose on the port side hose plug on the port side pump?

Each engine has it's own cooling loop dedicated to it including the Intercooler.

If you did put the hose on it and had no water flow, I would not take it on the water as you should figure out what the problem is.

Hello, MacSeadoo, yes, it was on the port side. There was plenty of water flowing out of the jet but not out of the exhaust - just a trickle as opposed to the starboard side. Any idea what might be causing the difference?

 

[MacSeaDoo]

Water is injected into the exhaust can through the standpipe and to the can directly from the fitting on the top. Exhaust pressure pushes that water to the back of the can where it flows into a raceway back towards the front and up riser pipe.

If there is an exhaust or pressure leak, the pressure supplied is limited which causes the can to retain too much water.

I would check both clamps on the flex pipe #5 in the exhaust diagram and the clamps on the riser pipe. #8. If they are loose, you will loose back pressure on the exhaust. You will also leak water while underway.

Check them both for signs of water or black carbon.

 

[MDH19]

Water is injected into the exhaust can through the standpipe and to the can directly from the fitting on the top. Exhaust pressure pushes that water to the back of the can where it flows into a raceway back towards the front and up riser pipe.

If there is an exhaust or pressure leak, the pressure supplied is limited which causes the can to retain too much water.

I would check both clamps on the flex pipe #5 in the exhaust diagram and the clamps on the riser pipe. #8. If they are loose, you will loose back pressure on the exhaust. You will also leak water while underway.

Check them both for signs of water or black carbon.

Thank you very much. I will do that today while on the water.