2006 GTI Broken Timing Chain @ 47 Hrs. Any Suggestions?

[keltonks]

Your're right 'buddy. It's me again. I relish being at the top of the list. It invites more viewers to scan the thread that way. You guys are so off base it's ridiculous. You just can't accept that Sea Doo is imperfect. There was no abuse or neglect as far as my GTI was concerned. All fluids were topped off and adequate. The GTI was not ridden hard or at prolonged high rpms. Maybe you can make room in your closed minds that the problem is the procuct produced by SEA DOO!! Next you will be saying the space aliens who performed the anal probe on you zapped the timing chain with their laser beams. If I had abused, neglected or otherwise failed to maintain the machine I would never have contacted Sea Doo for reparations, started this thread or made the comments I have made. I don't care if you contact the mechanic that has the GTI, DZ Motorsports in Genoa Ohio (WHO IS NOT A DEALER!). Look them up on the Internet. DZ's tear-down of the GTI revealed that the GTI had not been abused or neglected. The mechanic could find no other problems with the engine, and no explanation for the timing chain failure other than a defective chain. No bolts have backed out and no other abnormalities are present that would lead to timing chain failure. If I had done anything to mistreat the GTI, or if I had neglected to perform some necesary maintenance, I would be man enough to admit it and keep my mouth shut. That's why I am so critical of Sea Doo. That's why I am trying to warn as many people as I can to beware when they purchase a Sea Doo product. Whether or not you believe me, I did nothing to cause the timing chain failure, either by an overt or covert action. The ultimate responsibility for the total engine failure was Sea Doo's manufacturing quality. The timing chain was defective or it would not have broken at this time in the GTI's hourly lifecycle. It's true it's a "freak" failure, which may only happen now and again, but it's also true that Sea Doo has denied responsibility, blaming, as do you, anything, everything and everybody else that can possibly be blamed.

And by the way it's not me that wears panties, it's that other die-hard Sea Doo devotee with the greasy wrench. My shorts are quite loose, thank you, as my waist is much narrower than my chest.

 

[soccerdan90]

I think we all agree that Sea Doo isnt perfect. No company is. But why would a company replace something when there is no warranty on it. I dont know of a company that would normally replace something outside of the warranty period. If they did it for you they would have to do it for everyone. They have to draw a line somewhere.

 

[Coastiejoe]

I along with everyone here will agree that Sea Doo is not perfect. If they were, there would likely be no other PWC out there.

Being realistic,,, stuff happens. And as I said in my other posts, you have a right to be upset.

That said, it is no longer within coverage and I would be SHOCKED if Sea Doo would cover it. If they do,,,, GREAT,,,, It would be for customer satisfactions reasons, not because they legally owe you anything.

I personally think the coverage times should be longer and you are the perfect example of why. By your comments the ski has not been abused. I personally feel it should last HUNDREDS of hours, not 50 hours...

Again, it sucks. But what can you. You have to make a choice. Part it, sell it, or fix it...

 

[Dennis]

I work on all brands of jet skis' for a living. I work on them all and am loyal to none. I know first hand that SeaDoo is far from perfect. What I don't understand is your expectations of good will from SeaDoo on a 5 year old ski. They are way off base. There was no harm in asking for "good will" but to go on a company bashing campaign when they declined it is totally ridiculous.
FYI, a 5 year old ski that has only 30 hours on it is NOT a good thing. Lack of use can be just as damaging to the life of an engine as excessive hours. A logical person would understand that SeaDoo has to draw the line somewhere or they would go out of business.

 

[djredman99]

So, this is basically what I see going on here.

Beginning of thread
keltonks:
us: :agree:

:grouphug:

Middle of thread
keltonks: :cuss:
us:

End of thread
:boxing_smiley:

So now, I'm about here with regards to your problem: :nopity:

(Wow, and I always thought "what a bunch of useless icons")

Let me help you understand a few things.

... It sounds to me like die-hard Sea Doo owners cannot stand criticism.

No...what we can't stand is a guy whining like a baby. Listen to yourself, your being obnoxious at this point.

Everyone here was on your side at the beginning of this thread until you went crazy. I feel bad for you...whether you can afford it or not it sucks to get an unexpected $1800 bill.

This is a perfect opportunity for all of the forum members to chime in and say how Sea Doo is so wonderful, so perfect, that once you purchase one you will wonder how you ever existed without one.

Nobody in this forum talks like that, something you might notice if you actually took a minute to slow down from your tantrum. Most of us help each other fix seadoos so we don't have to pay $1800 bills quite so often.

It seems that most forum members who have responded have either personally attacked me, or the prior owner.

Go read the other 20,000+ threads and see how many people are verbally attacked here. Now, count them on your left hand and compare that to how many that didn't.

Who has the doctorate? (<- finally got a reason to use the confused icon too...sweet!)

You can deny the truth, or try and hide and censor it, but it remains the truth. Buying any product is a risky gamble. We try and minimize the risk by purchasing quality products. When we lose the gamble and buy an infereior product, it does tend to upset us.

Then why the hell are you yelling at us?

This all could have been avoided by Sea Doo standing behind its product and offering an owner some consolation, such as a timing chain and some bolts. I informed Sea Doo representatives that since they will not stand behind their product I will do all I can to bash their product. That made no difference so I am simply living up to my promise.

Congratulations...you just dropped BRP's annual profit margin by .00264%. Not just being a dick about it, but who here doesn't think that's about the most you are doing about it?

By the way, I abhor dealers. If you read the thread you would have realized I took my ski to an independent mechanic. There are no moderators out there who could give me guidance on tearing down a GTI engine and rebuilding it. That is beyond my mechanical capabilities. If the moderators want to act as censors and remove this thread so that Sea Doo's reputation is not besmirched, then so be it. The truth, however, reamins the truth whether or not it is suppressed.

Dude...normal people don't talk like that. And don't play the "smarter than you" card here either. Norml edu-ma-cated peoples dont talk that der way neithr.

PS...correctin sum ones grammer in an online forum four a "me smarter than you" argument...hysterical! The education paid off there!

Now settle down and act like a rational person. If you are indeed going to pay to fix your ski and keep it, then maybe we can help you from having another $1800 bill.

If you want to fix big business, then your ranting here better only be a fraction of your overall plan. Otherwise, your just irritating a bunch of people who wish they invented a machine to punch people in the face through their computer.

Sorry this happened to you, unexpected bills have been forced upon many of us.

 

[keltonks]

It's spelled, "GRAMMAR." And yes, despite your disbelief, where I come from people do speak like that. And .00246% is better than 0%.

 

[red2blue]

jesushchrist...


Will you guys please stop responding to this whiny btch of a spelling nazi?

Please!

aside.....MODS...where's the fargen ignore feature on this board?

 

[RFoster130]

So, this is basically what I see going on here.

Beginning of thread
keltonks:
us: :agree:

:grouphug:

Middle of thread
keltonks: :cuss:
us:

End of thread
:boxing_smiley:

So now, I'm about here with regards to your problem: :nopity:

(Wow, and I always thought "what a bunch of useless icons")

Let me help you understand a few things.



No...what we can't stand is a guy whining like a baby. Listen to yourself, your being obnoxious at this point.

Everyone here was on your side at the beginning of this thread until you went crazy. I feel bad for you...whether you can afford it or not it sucks to get an unexpected $1800 bill.



Nobody in this forum talks like that, something you might notice if you actually took a minute to slow down from your tantrum. Most of us help each other fix seadoos so we don't have to pay $1800 bills quite so often.




Go read the other 20,000+ threads and see how many people are verbally attacked here. Now, count them on your left hand and compare that to how many that didn't.

Who has the doctorate? (<- finally got a reason to use the confused icon too...sweet!)



Then why the hell are you yelling at us?



Congratulations...you just dropped BRP's annual profit margin by .00264%. Not just being a dick about it, but who here doesn't think that's about the most you are doing about it?



Dude...normal people don't talk like that. And don't play the "smarter than you" card here either. Norml edu-ma-cated peoples dont talk that der way neithr.

PS...correctin sum ones grammer in an online forum four a "me smarter than you" argument...hysterical! The education paid off there!

Now settle down and act like a rational person. If you are indeed going to pay to fix your ski and keep it, then maybe we can help you from having another $1800 bill.

If you want to fix big business, then your ranting here better only be a fraction of your overall plan. Otherwise, your just irritating a bunch of people who wish they invented a machine to punch people in the face through their computer.

Sorry this happened to you, unexpected bills have been forced upon many of us.

Great post. I think it is actually the best use of icons I have seen. :thumbsup:

 

[djredman99]

It's spelled, "GRAMMAR."...

So..not even smart enough to see the intentional misspelling in that sentence, either.

Thanks for the bonus laugh.

 

[brock1]

I agree with foster on djredmans post that was hilarious!!! Thats the first time that i have actually laughed reading this thread...... most of the time i really was wishing that i had one of the punching through the computer machines...... Im sorry about your luck KELTONKS its unfortunet but for the love of god stop being a drama queen and fix the stupid thing or give it to one of us!!! We can turn that 1800 dollar fix into about 200-300 doing it ourselves!!! There are alot of guys on here that could have walked you through it fairly easy. You wasted three pages of thread room just so whine..... look at all the guys that posted on this thread...... Everyone of them are highly skilled and caring individuals that would have jumped in to help you at anytime if you would have asked and gone about this is the proper way..... I will not argue with you at all about the fact that seadoo isnt perfect "THEY'RE NOT" if they were we would not be on this forum getting help from these skilled men and women we would be out enjoying our machines!!!! BUt no we are here because things break and we want to save some money and fix it ourselves so we post for help.... I learned SOOOOOOOO much off this forum from these guys but you are too busy PISSING everyone off to learn anything!!! BUt as you said you have a doctorate and know it all, especially what kind of pants you wear "thats a good thing" If you decide to make a new thread and cool off a little I and MANY other skilled riders would be glad to walk you through the installation of your new timing chain!!! I apologize for the rudeness i have portrayed throughout the thread but you really set me off this time!!! Like i said i am in sales and i have to deal with guys like you everyday and i have learned to just "BROOM" that customer because they're complaining and demanding never stops..... Your mad and thats fine but lets move on and leave whats in the past alone!!!! Go to the dealership and get your ski and bring it home... on the way home stop and get a digital camera "like 60 bucks at wallyworld" use it to take a picture of your engine and the shape its in so we can begine to help you put it back together and save you alot of money!!!!!!

sincerely,
BROCK

 

[Chester]

I just read this whole thread.:banghead:
Keltonks, Crap happens.

just a thought but i would think that if the timing chain broke while riding it wouldnt just kill the engine immediatly it would run extremely rough then eventually die correct? that is just a thought im not too much into 4 stroke but i know with cars an engine will run if the timing chain broke...

No engine will run when the timing chain breaks, not even in a car. It will die immediately and will even bend the valves if it's an interference engine, like the 4-tec.

Chester

 

[Dennis]

Yea Chester, the shop that took it apart says that the chain just up and broke and there is no other damage.....no bent valves......nothing.
Whole thing sounds fishy to me. :cheers:

 

[brock1]

I just read this whole thread.:banghead:
Keltonks, Crap happens.



No engine will run when the timing chain breaks, not even in a car. It will die immediately and will even bend the valves if it's an interference engine, like the 4-tec.

Chester

Ok thanks for the info chester i am not really familiar with the 4 stroke engines ive never owned one.... but any ways like i said it was just a thought thatnks for the correction

 

[bigJake]

don't really have anything to add here that hasn't already been said, I just wanted to add a few more icons to the thread.

I tried reading most of the thread but the whole thing was making me uke: so I am :leaving: :seeya:

 

[keltonks]

I appreciate your confidence in my mechanical abilities in that you believe that you could have "walked me through" an engine repair of this magnitude. As Chester has mentioned, the GTI just died, and today, Tuesday, I received a call from the mechanic that indeed, the valves did hit the pistons, the rocker arms did bend, and the valves won't seat by two thousandths. The tolerances were so small that the mechanic did not realize the valves were bent until he had put the engine back together for a pressure test. New valves and rocker arms are another $500.00 in parts, and the mechanic says he isn't charging me labor as he thought he should have caught this problem before. I am seriously considering getting rid of the SEA DOO. Cut my losses and run at this point, without investing another $500.00. Putting $2,300.00 in a SEA DOO GTI with 47 hours which broke down after less than two months of ownership makes me want to take the same action as bigJake.

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN BUYING THE 2006 GTI WITH 47 HOURS, WITH BAD VALVES & ROCKER ARMS IN THE FIRST TWO CYLINDERS, LET ME KNOW. IF I SELL IT FOR ENOUGH I'LL SHUT UP AND LEAVE THE FORUM FOREVER. THAT OUGHT TO BE INCENTIVE ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO ALL PITCH IN AND MAYBE MY LOSSES WON'T BE SO BAD.

I'm waiting to hear from you.

 

[BMANN06]

Very Interested!! What would you like to get out of it in its current state? You can PM the price if you would prefer it to not be public.

 

[BMANN06]

I'm waiting to hear from you

If it comes with a trailer; I'll offer up $1200.00 and pick it up this weekend. Could you send/post some pics of it with trailer.

 

[Dennis]

Or you could just shut up, keep your losses and leave the forum forever!

 

[keltonks]

Dennis, that's true, but unlikely. Whatever happened to, "I may not like what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!"??? Perhaps you do not believe in that maxim.

At this point I cannot justify putting more money into a Sea Doo product.

If anyone is interested in making an offer a trailer is not included. Just so you know, the mechanic has basically offered me $1,800.00 as the GTI sits. The engine is back together but valves and rocker arms are bent in the front two cylinders.

As many Sea Doo fans as there are out there with pockets full of money, I am sure someone will offer me more for this fine example of a Sea Doo product.

Since we have talked about mathemathics so much in the past, the addition is as follows: 2006 Sea Doo GTI + 47 hours + extra clean + no abuse + well maintaned = broken timing chain + $2,300.00 repair bill.

If I had read this thread before I purchased the Sea Doo GTI, I would not have done so.

 

[brock1]

so then the math goes this way for someone that wants to fix it themselves......... 2006 GTI + 47 hours of abuse + now dirty from shop tech + broken timing chain ($97.00) + timing chain tensioner ($17.00) + valves and rocker arms($700.00) + some of our time + the ski for (1800.00) = 2,614.00!!!!!! Ski NADA value in good running condition is 3,600.00 WITH NO TRAILOR!!!!! WOW ill take it sounds like a deal to me what about everyone else???

OH AND BY THE WAY KELTONKS YOU SPELLED "MAINTANED" WRONG ITS ACTUALLY (MAINTAINED)
MR. DOCTORATE

 

[BMANN06]

I sent you a pm ... if you want to make a deal give me a call.

 

[keltonks]

I apologize for my mistake. My haste in typing caused me to leave out the "i". I am glad that despite my oversight you were able to discern my intent and could decipher the meaning of my sentence. Congratulations, but by the way, the apparatus with which you tow your PWC is a "trailer," not a "trailor." Maybe you need to brush up on your typing skills, too. We could go back through the thread and see how many "typing errors" I have made and how many you have made ... No, that's what some NAZI would do.

As far as your insistence that the GTI had to be abused or mistreated, if you can read the thread you will see that steadfastly, throughout this thread I have told the truth that the SEA DOO GTI was not abused or mistreated. You conjure up an incorrect scenario and then attempt to argue based upon your inaccurate suppostitions. Why can't you just admit, like many of those who have responded on this thread, that EVEN WITH SEA DOO PWCS WHICH HAVE BEEN WELL MAINTAINED AND NOT ABUSED AND WHiCH HAVE LOW HOURS THE TIMING CHAINS CAN JUST BREAK FOR NO REASON OR CAUSE AND THE RESULTS CAN BE HAVING TO PAY $2,300.00 FOR A MAJOR ENGINE OVERHAUL? It's that simple.

The answer seems to be that if you are determined to purchase a SEA DOO PWC you had better (1) have so much money that paying thousands of dollars for major engine repairs is of no consequence to you; or (2) be a PWC mechanic with proper SEA DOO diagnostic equipment and software and tools so that you can perform a major engine overhaul in your own garage (which will only cost you $1,000.00 in parts). The idea that internet advisors can walk someone who is not a mechanic through the major overhaul of a PWC engine with a broken timing chain and bent valves and rocker arms is preposterous.

As I said before, if I had read this thread before I purchased the GTI I would not have purchased a SEA DOO product. Maybe I can spare someone else from the ravages of owing a SEA DOO product. DON'T BUY A SEA DOO PWC UNLESS YOU BUY IT NEW WITH A WARRANTY SO THAT WHEN (NOT IF, WHEN) IT BREAKS DOWN YOU CAN GET IT FIXED WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND MAJOR BUCKS OUT OF YOUR POCKET. ONCE THE WARRANTY EXPIRES SELL IT TO SOME POOR SUCKER!

 

[bigJake]

To put things in perspective - I'm pretty sure that the timing chain that broke was NOT made by Bombardier so maybe you should be redirecting your rampage to the Chineese company that did make it.

Cut your losses, sell the ski to Bmann06 and be done with it already.

 

[Dennis]

I was merely pointing out that you had another option.
I would really like to know what you do for a living. I'm thinking sales. Selling things that don't have a warranty. Abstract things.
You know, like religion or "self help, feel good about yourself" books and cd's. Just a thought.

 

[brock1]

alright guys he is like a dog we need to stop feeding him and he wont come back anymore!!!! Keltonks im sorry about your misfortune and BIGJAKE is right the parts are most likely made by a foreign company and as for my typing errors i never claimed to be the DOCTORATE here so i get a free pass this time!!! As for you you definetly have some professors to answer to ........ what would they say if they seen that error.... shame shame bad boy who ever gave you a doctorate????? if you would still like help in fixing it im sure that even through all this there are many knowlwdgeable guys on here that would gladly help you.....