Looking for more power: 1503 215 vs. 260

[tritonx100]

Hi all i currently own a GTI limited 155 and its a great machine but i am looking for a 2nd ski that has a little more pop to it. What do folks think of the 215 1503 in comparison to the 155?

I really like the looks of the 2016 wake pro but want to know what people think of the power on these and if i should just bump up to the next level.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

night and day difference.

The hole-shot is better, the mid range is better, the top end is better.

Everything is better except fuel economy and some periodic maintenance.

IMO most people that aren't speed freaks will be very happy with bumping up to the 215. But generally for a small price difference you can get 255/260 and be even MORE very happy.

 

[3ftDeep]

Keep in mind that if you end up with anything but the 2016 RXT-X, 2016 RXP-X or 2016 GTX Limited, you'll need to service the supercharger (between 150 and 200 hours). That'll cost you at least US $600. I think it's well worth it, though.

 

[tritonx100]

Keep in mind that if you end up with anything but the 2016 RXT-X, 2016 RXP-X or 2016 GTX Limited, you'll need to service the supercharger (between 150 and 200 hours). That'll cost you at least US $600. I think it's well worth it, though.

Thanks i did consider that and it is something to consider. With only a small price difference between the wake pro and Rtx it might be worth it to avoid supercharger rebuilds. My guess is next year doo will roll out different configurations of the ace into some of the other models.

 

[tritonx100]

Also, i have spoke to three different dealers and some say rebuild at 100hrs and some say 200hrs. Which is it?

 

[Coastiejoe]

Also, i have spoke to three different dealers and some say rebuild at 100hrs and some say 200hrs. Which is it?

If it has the update kit that was available from 09 and up, 200 hours. It really didn't change much, it was more of an advertisement thing more than a physical change.

Also, this site charges either $425 or $450 for a complete rebuild with OEM parts shipped back to you.

And there is a HUGE difference from the 155 to any of the SC'd engines. I own a 155 GTX and a 255 RXT-X and night and day is an understatement. And the 155 is fantastic,,, so imagine how much better the 255 is,,,

 

[Seadoobuddy]

Keep in mind that if you end up with anything but the 2016 RXT-X, 2016 RXP-X or 2016 GTX Limited, you'll need to service the supercharger (between 150 and 200 hours). That'll cost you at least US $600. I think it's well worth it, though.

Why only theses models.....I thought every SC needs to be rebuilt after so many hours.

 

[Coastiejoe]

Why only theses models.....I thought every SC needs to be rebuilt after so many hours.

The just released 2016 model was designed so that the SC does not need to be rebuilt...

 

[Spimothy Leary]

If it has the update kit that was available from 09 and up, 200 hours. It really didn't change much, it was more of an advertisement thing more than a physical change.

Also, this site charges either $425 or $450 for a complete rebuild with OEM parts shipped back to you.

And there is a HUGE difference from the 155 to any of the SC'd engines. I own a 155 GTX and a 255 RXT-X and night and day is an understatement. And the 155 is fantastic,,, so imagine how much better the 255 is,,,

and... Imagine how much more awesome 255 is with stage 1 !!!! I have to admit my T-X with Stg1 is pretty awesome, I was hitting high 60's even with a 25 mph headwind in my face.

I think the SC on mine was done in 2013 about 80 hours ago, I still planned on rebuilding in 20 hours, safest to error on the side of caution right ?

 

[3ftDeep]

and... Imagine how much more awesome 255 is with stage 1 !!!! I have to admit my T-X with Stg1 is pretty awesome, I was hitting high 60's even with a 25 mph headwind in my face.

I think the SC on mine was done in 2013 about 80 hours ago, I still planned on rebuilding in 20 hours, safest to error on the side of caution right ?

I wouldn't do it after 100 hours. The old saying is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". It's a little bit tricky and there's always risk in rebuilding so I'd wait until it needs rebuilding. The range (for new, or recently rebuilt Sea-Doo superchargers) is between 150 and 200 hours. Mine is working perfectly at 134 hours, so at this point although I was going to do it at 150 hrs, I'll probably wait until 200 hours.

 

[tritonx100]

I guess the next question is GTX 215 or RXT300...very close in dollars.......300 ponies might be too much but no maintenance on the SC seems worth it.

 

[Coastiejoe]

If the money is close, 300 it is.


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[tritonx100]

That wake pro for 2016 is a slick color combination.....

 

[Spimothy Leary]

agree with CJ, if the money is close, the 300 is pretty badazz, the only downside is I never liked the idea of being a first year guinea pig.

 

[tritonx100]

Yea that is a good point. But then again Rotax makes a damn good engine and i have had ski-doo sleds for years....not really concerned

 

[Michael211_2000]

So just what did they do to the newest SC's such that they no longer wear out faster than the engine (ie. don't have rebuild intervals on the SC)?

Researching bearings earlier this Fall I found out that the bearings in our SC's are only rated for max 30,000 rpm's yet at full throttle we're spinning them up into the 40,000+ rpm range. So maybe they finally went to using some bearings better rated for the rpm range the SC's run up to? Full metal bearing cages too maybe? How can the clutch part work without wearing down? IDK. :-\

- Michael

 

[tritonx100]

what do people think about the 215 in general? Quick?? Good power out of corners?

 

[Michael211_2000]

Powerful enough for the 3-seater hull size. For a 2-seater (like the RXP) it's probably even better.

You really just need to ride one for yourself and make your own decision.

The latest SeaDoo's (GTX and RXT both) are actually a bit larger now than in previous years, using a 260hp rated ROTAX 4TEC engine (mostly due to a more powerful supercharger, injectors and a larger external intercooler unit to get the power up to 260). Larger hull again requires more horsepower.

While horsepower may rule the roost there are lots of areas where you can improve the performance of most any post-2000 SeaDoo. Intake grate, impeller, putting a wedge in the pump, filling the ride plate bolt holes, stuff like that really makes them handle and perform oh so much better!

Always remember thought that with more power comes more responsibility... and more risk of something failing! A 155hp non-SC'ed non-Intercooled engine doesn't have near the issues of the 185 and up models (which is the point where they start adding supercharger and then at 215 hp the intercoolers begin). Without the SC, that's 1 less part in the engine to fail or need maintenance; without the intercooler there's less chance of leaks developing and no issues with freezing weather (the intercooler can hold enough fresh water in it's tubes to fteeze and crack if not winterized before freezing weather begins)! But a 155 hp machine is not nearly as much fun to ride as a 215 or greater hp machine so....

- Michael

 

[3ftDeep]

It's a great machine. I highly recommend it.

what do people think about the 215 in general? Quick?? Good power out of corners?