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2008 RXT 215 with 126hrs. SC was just rebuilt by my dealer and had a new wear ring installed at the end of last season. When I had the wear ring done the tech said my impeller had a few knicks but he was able to straighten most out and shouldn't cause much of an issue. Here's a video of it from yesterday on GPS 60.6mph!!! What do you guys think my issues could be?

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2008 RXT 215 with 126hrs. SC was just rebuilt by my dealer and had a new wear ring installed at the end of last season. When I had the wear ring done the tech said my impeller had a few knicks but he was able to straighten most out and shouldn't cause much of an issue. Here's a video of it from yesterday on GPS 60.6mph!!! What do you guys think my issues could be?

http://youtu.be/IIKGjZQ4pcw

what kinda r's are you turning when wot?

have you looked at your prop?

what kinda clearance does it have with the new ring?

what did the dreamo meter say?

any caviatation outa the hole?
 
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what kinda r's are you turning when wot?

have you looked at your prop?

what kinda clearance does it have with the new ring?

what did the dreamo meter say?

any caviatation outa the hole?

8140-8200

Prop looks ok from the back without removing the pump.

No idea on clearance. How do I check that?

Dream-o-meter is around 63-64

Yes out of the hole it bounces off the rev limiter 4-5 times when riding solo more if I have a second rider on
 
2008 RXT 215 with 126hrs. SC was just rebuilt by my dealer and had a new wear ring installed at the end of last season. When I had the wear ring done the tech said my impeller had a few knicks but he was able to straighten most out and shouldn't cause much of an issue. Here's a video of it from yesterday on GPS 60.6mph!!! What do you guys think my issues could be?

http://youtu.be/IIKGjZQ4pcw

It looks like you were turning 8160RPM @ 63MPH per dream-o-meter @ WOT... hmmm....

I will try Speedbox on my RXT this weekend and let you know how it matches up with the Sea Doo speedo and other GPS unit.
 
I don't think you should be hitting the rev limiter nearly so much... the pump is coming "unhooked" far too easily. I'd go ahead and pull the pump out and inspect it, take pics of the impeller and post. There should be almost no gap between the impeller blades and the wear ring, it should be a tight fit to slip a business card between them. Your engine sounds like it's doing right, your pump not so much. You don't need to remove the impeller to inspect it, but you do need to get the pump off the hull so you can clearly see the impeller all the way around (and take pics of it perhaps to post). Also look for any foreign objects while you're in there, even a small twig can mess up waterflow thru the pump.

Also what were water conditions like when you did your WOT speed tests? Water that's glassy smooth actually causes drag (almost feels like driving a car with flat tires IMO), water that's overly choppy also causes loss of speed... ideally you want just a little chop to "loosen up" the hull without causing air to enter the pump intake. I doubt water conditions could account for this much speed loss and hitting the rev limiter frequently though.

Ya'll can call it a "dream-o-meter" all you want, but odds are it's not off by more than 1-2 mph at the most... close enough for the vast majority of boaters. Unless it's outright broken it is NOT 6-7 mph off.

ps. What was the speed/performance like before the SC rebuild and new wear ring installed? Did things improve, get worse, or stay about the same after the dealership worked on it?

- Michael
 
I don't think you should be hitting the rev limiter nearly so much... the pump is coming "unhooked" far too easily. I'd go ahead and pull the pump out and inspect it, take pics of the impeller and post. There should be almost no gap between the impeller blades and the wear ring, it should be a tight fit to slip a business card between them. Your engine sounds like it's doing right, your pump not so much. You don't need to remove the impeller to inspect it, but you do need to get the pump off the hull so you can clearly see the impeller all the way around (and take pics of it perhaps to post). Also look for any foreign objects while you're in there, even a small twig can mess up waterflow thru the pump.

Also what were water conditions like when you did your WOT speed tests? Water that's glassy smooth actually causes drag (almost feels like driving a car with flat tires IMO), water that's overly choppy also causes loss of speed... ideally you want just a little chop to "loosen up" the hull without causing air to enter the pump intake. I doubt water conditions could account for this much speed loss and hitting the rev limiter frequently though.

Ya'll can call it a "dream-o-meter" all you want, but odds are it's not off by more than 1-2 mph at the most... close enough for the vast majority of boaters. Unless it's outright broken it is NOT 6-7 mph off.

ps. What was the speed/performance like before the SC rebuild and new wear ring installed? Did things improve, get worse, or stay about the same after the dealership worked on it?

- Michael

Water conditions were good. Not glass but not much chop with slight sidewind. Prior to the wear ring replacement I was seeing 70 on the speedo now I'm seeing 63-64 and no noticeable change after the supercharger. I did the 100hr rebuild as preventative maintenance. There was no sign of slippage prior to rebuild.
 
Ok, sounds like pretty ideal conditions to me then. So either something has gotten into the pump (possible, though seems unlikely... I don't believe in coincidences) or else they've messed up the blade pitch of your impeller when they straightened out the dings in the leading edges. This almost certainly has to be related to the change of wear ring/straightening out of knicks in your impeller blades. Have you considered taking it back to them and telling them how much speed you lost immediately AFTER they did this work on your watercraft? I'd pull the pump myself 1st and take a look-see... it's not that difficult or time consuming.

ps. Just for grins go ahead and check your engine oil level, it should be in the middle of the bend on the dip stick NOT at the top of the bend! Just in case they "topped you off" overfilling it. Your rpm's sound ok though so I don't expect you to find a problem there.

- Michael
 
I haven't pulled a pump on these yet. I know it's easy but do I need anything special such as seals or O rings? Oil level is good. I know that makes a difference in performance.
 
Nothing special is needed, just a socket and wrench set (Metric 10mm socket and wrench for the cables and levers that connect to the pump nozzle, and a LONG 1/2" extension and deep-well socket (size???) so you can reach those 4 brass nuts that hold the pump to the hull). Take note of the order of washers so you can put them back on in the same order, the OPAS links should be tightened down just barely snug (so they don't bind the steering). When putting the pump back in be sure to get the driveshaft splines alighned back into the impeller don't force it they have to slide in correctly... I spray them down with a little silicone lube spray to make it a bit easier to get started. Should take you about 30 minutes to pull and 30 minutes to re-install the 1st time, takes 15 minutes once you've done it before it's easy.

ps. Don't miss the hose that attaches to the top of the pump with a hose clamp, and remember to put it back on and tighten the clamp down after you've re-installed!

- Michael
 
Ok cool. I'll do it as soon as I have some spare time and take some pics. Last pump I pulled off was on a 97 GSX. Doesn't sound like its that much more complicated.
 
Looks like a new impeller and wear ring it is! I'm looking at a 14/19 pitch. Is there a better pitch for the Riva stage 1 kit? I'm piecing that together also since I cant spend all the money at once.
 
Looks like a new impeller and wear ring it is! I'm looking at a 14/19 pitch. Is there a better pitch for the Riva stage 1 kit? I'm piecing that together also since I cant spend all the money at once.

Without an improved air intake...the Riva is a 3" front....your prop of choice will be a 14/17.
 
My RXT has got a 13/18 Solas, Aquavein intake grate, and otherwise is bone stock... I'm pretty certain it would perform as well as or better with a slightly steeper impeller, like a 14/19 pitch.

KK be sure and fill your ride plate bolt holes flush, they're a drag you just don't need.

- Michael
 
My RXT has got a 13/18 Solas, Aquavein intake grate, and otherwise is bone stock... I'm pretty certain it would perform as well as or better with a slightly steeper impeller, like a 14/19 pitch.

KK be sure and fill your ride plate bolt holes flush, they're a drag you just don't need.

- Michael

I disagree, w/o a better air intake your ski would not perform as well or better when twisting a 14/19.
 
Air intake is already upgraded. Thanks for the input guys. Intake grate will be next after the impeller. Even if it doesn't perform 100% at first I'm ok with it since I'll be modding it further in the next months
 
Solas recommends a 14/19 impeller for the unmodified bone-stock 215hp RXP (with stock air intake). If that model can turn it with good rpm's, I see no reason my RXT couldn't do the same since it's got the exact same engine. I suspect Solas recommends the 13/18 for the 215hp RXT model assuming it'll be carrying a heavier load (up to 3 adults at once).

At some point money permitting I intend to try out a 14/19 Solas impeller on my RXT and whichever impeller I prefer for my riding style I'll keep and sell the other one. To each their own though.

- Michael
 
Air intake is already upgraded. Thanks for the input guys. Intake grate will be next after the impeller. Even if it doesn't perform 100% at first I'm ok with it since I'll be modding it further in the next months

No offense meant here. There is a big difference between a 3" and 4" intake. Volume is everything when feeding the sc. If you get the 14/19 as your ski sits now...you'll prolly lose 300-400rpm as well as some top speed. To compensate, you'll have to tweek the prop by losing 2mm or so. This'll get you back a coupla hundred r's and a bit of speed. Your hole shots should improve though.

Like Michael has said...your freebies will help as well as further inexpensive handling and pump mods.

If your going down the modding road...attention to detail is everything. The smallest, gap, variance in symetry makes a big difference to how water flows across your prop and hull.
 
Ok then what pitch is recommended by Riva with their stage 1 since that's what I'll have for mods in a couple of months?
 
Ok then what pitch is recommended by Riva with their stage 1 since that's what I'll have for mods in a couple of months?

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...the Riva is a 3" front....your prop of choice will be a 14/17...

You can build a better 4" front air intake for less than the riva and it'll perform better. Because it'll perform better you could then step up to a 14/19...albeit with a bit of tweeking to the trailing edge. Still do-able.

It is the road I took.
 
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You can build a better 4" front air intake for less than the riva and it'll perform better. Because it'll perform better you could then step up to a 14/19...albeit with a bit of tweeking to the trailing edge. Still do-able.

It is the road I took.

Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll stick with a 14/17 for now till it's more modded. I can always change it out later for the 14/19 if needed. Also i'm gonna upgrade the intake from 3" to a 4" asap
 
Couldn't sleep last night so I was surfing the web hunting for impellers and came across this and bought it right away. At that price I couldn't pass it up.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280908537977?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


Ok time to order a wear ring but there's a lot of choices. Which one of the following do you guys recommend?

Red wear ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251024306964?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

White wear ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seadoo-Wear..._Watercraft_Parts&hash=item27c82de488&vxp=mtr

Yellow wear ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sea-Doo-Sea..._Watercraft_Parts&hash=item231a7df54f&vxp=mtr

Black wear ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEA-DOO-WEA..._Watercraft_Parts&hash=item2c6403aa18&vxp=mtr

Blue wear ring
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-JET-PUM...Parts_Accessories&hash=item35bc55ceda&vxp=mtr

Or my local dealer has replacemt rings for $65 but he wasn't sure which color he had. Said they are direct replacement. Whatever that means.
 
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I'm not sure it really matters what color the wear ring is, I put the white wear ring in mine when I replaced the stock impeller and wear ring spring 2011 and it works just fine.

- Michael
 
Hey you never did say just what you found when you finally pulled the pump yourself... what is the condition of the impeller and wear ring? You said you were going to pull it, then next post is "new impeller and wear ring it is" so I presume you saw something in there to indicate that was your problem?

- Michael
 
Hey you never did say just what you found when you finally pulled the pump yourself... what is the condition of the impeller and wear ring? You said you were going to pull it, then next post is "new impeller and wear ring it is" so I presume you saw something in there to indicate that was your problem?

- Michael

Ah yes I forgot the report. I pulled it and found a strand of seaweed wrapped around the impeller however, the ring is gouged out and the impeller has tool marks all over it from being "straightened" nothing significant but by the amount I'm sure the pitch was affected although can't tell just by looking at it. Replacing them is easier. I did remove the seaweed and put it back together and went for a ride. Some cavitation went away by my problem of low top speed is still there along with some cavitation during the holeshot.
 
You beat me to it..

You said the mechanic straightened it out,,, As a general rule, when you straighten out a pump you almost always affect the ratio. So what might be a 14/19 for example, can easily become a 14/15. Its only 4 little numbers but that is HUGE when you think of the actual change.
 
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