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What would you like to see in the next SeaDoo PWC?

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Hello All,

BRP constantly works to improve their product each year. From Braking systems, to suspension, to electronic throttle control, Sea-Doo is no doubt are on the cutting edge.

With that said, what would you like to see on the next SeaDoo PWC? What would you add (or subtract) to the design?
 
1) Nekid girls !!!

Or more relaistically....

2) Someone needs to make a light weight, no frills ski again. Right now the bottom of the barrel is $9k. Plus freight, tax, title, and probably a trailer... you won't leave a SeaDoo shop for less than $12k for a new ski during the summer. (when there are no real deals going on)

The last new ski I bought was a 2000 Yama XL700. It was a 3 person, 75 hp ski with a simple oil light. No trim, no gauges, and no security system. New retail on it was $4999.

Since then... I've bought used 2-strokes because I will not touch a used 4-stroke... and the new ones are so friggen expensive... when you live in a state that gets cold... it's hard to justify making a payment for a toy that sits in the garage 5 to 6 months out of the year.


I want to see a 2/3 person ski with a carburetted 75hp 2 cyl 4-stroke, and no extra crap on it other than a fuel gauge, oil light, and temp light (or buzzer), and get the retail down below $6k. (if they get rid of the EFI, and closed loop cooling, that will get rid a bunch of expense, and extra parts)

Think about it... right now a base ski has more HP than most of the boats on your local lake, and they have the same HP of the hottest skis 10 years ago. 75hp will still make a ski go 45 to 50 mph, it will be cheap if they take all the BS off of it... and it will get good fuel economy. (remember when skis had 5 gallon fuel tanks? I do)


With the Economy down... I think it would be very smart to build some basic stuff again.
 
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I agree with Dr Honda, they need to make a basic ski at an affordable price, Like the 'SeaDoo GS' model use to be, Just a fuel gauge, oil light and a beeper for temp.

We all know they wont go back to a carb, but why did this industry make this jump to 4-strokes? Why not take a step back to the 2-Stroke EFI's? All the outboard companies (except Honda) make them and they are perfectly acceptable by the EPA and all lakes that accept PWC's, So why not?

Also not everyone needs to go 70+ MPH, or 0-50 in 2.5 seconds. A top speed of 50-55 is plenty for many of us and what happend to the small nimble hulls like the GS/GSX hull? I have a great time riding mine, but these new one's are all like limo's, you don't even get wet on most of them unless you fall off, which is increasingly harder to do with these new designs. We really need a smaller, light weight, less power (115hp is plenty), 2-stroke EFI, less sofisticated machine.


Another suggestion is to have all ski's pre drilled & threaded for boarding steps. Some models come with them from the factory, but all models should be pre drilled & threaded for them, but I'll go out on a limb here and say all models should come with them.

Another suggestion is to have a GPS speedo built into the cluster, get away from the inaccurate 'spinning wheel' type.

I also think it would be cool to have a radio/ipod system, not something that everyone but the rider can hear, but a system with speakers facing the rider(s) that can be heard with out having to crank up the volume to 'max'.

-Masta
 
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Hey Chad, have you checked out the new lineups from SeaDoo? Half of what you have mentioned is already in production.

The GTI is the base model from SeaDoo, and will have a price starting around $7999. There is legislation that forced all manufacturers to four strokes, so we are done with the two-stroke age.

Also, SeaDoo does put GPS into some of their models, which calculates speed based on GPS reading. Some really cool technology they have come out with...definitely check it out.

I really like the idea of predrilled boarding mount locations. Especially helpful for purchasing second hand craft if the original owner wasn't interested in the steps.
 
JoeZ,

$8000 is alot of money for a base model, especially as Dr Honda mentioned for those if us that live in parts of the country where you can only use the ski 4-6 months out of the year. I would like to see a base model 2 person ski for around $6000 with a smaller engine that only needs to go maybe 54-58 mph.

I would like to see more 2-seater models. After looking at their website they only make 1 2-seater and it's $14,000 and 255HP! I want a quick/fun 2-seater that has a smaller engine. Why do they assume everyone wants a 3-seater? and Why do these new ski's have to be soo big/long?

I would also like to see special pricing if you buy 2 SeaDoo's at the same time. Dropping $16k-$30k at one time with the same company for a toy should earn some kind of incentive. Also would be nice to have an incentive for return SeaDoo buyers. (All manufactures should offer this).

As for the GPS speedo, I knew of the storage box cover that has a built in handheld GPS holder, but I didn't know they had an actual GPS speedo in the gauge cluster? I'll have to check out the SeaDoo website again!

-TheChad
 
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Dr Honda hit the nail on the head - if Sea Doo (or anyone else) would make a ~110H-~130 HP ski in the 400-600 pound dry weight range like the 90's models I would buy one. Why buy a lake limo for the same price as a used ski boat? 2 stroke, 4 stroke, whatever NEW technology - figure it out and you will sell skis like crazy. PLEASE!
 
JoeZ,

$8000 is alot of money for a base model, especially as Dr Honda mentioned for those if us that live in parts of the country where you can only use the ski 4-6 months out of the year. I would like to see a base model 2 person ski for around $6000 with a smaller engine that only needs to go maybe 54-58 mph.-TheChad

Chad... you are missing the point. If you have a GPS, pre-drilled holes, a stereo, and want to get into the upper 50's... then it's going to be expensive. Something as simple as 4 extra holes, and the threaded inserts will add $300 to $400 by the time it gets to the dealers floor. I know that seems expensive... but I'm a manufacture, and I know what a couple extra holes cost.

I would like to see more 2-seater models. After looking at their website they only make 1 2-seater and it's $14,000 and 255HP! I want a quick/fun 2-seater that has a smaller engine. Why do they assume everyone wants a 3-seater? and Why do these new ski's have to be soo big/long? -TheChad

You are one of a very small group who wants a 2 seater anymore. People like the 3 seaters because they can tow a tube, and take more friends out. Also, they need the size because of the weight of the newer engines, and all the extra crap they put on a ski these days. One thing most people don't think about is that a modern 3 person ski weighs as much as the simple Sportster boat in my avatar. (it only weighs 950Lbs dry) SO... if you take that same drive system, and all that support gear, and stick it in a 2 person hull, you still need to displace enough water to make it float. Oh... also, people what to be able to move around on a ski without it falling over. (they want a small boat) I have a little Si that I restored last spring. It's officially a 2 seater, but with one person... if you get off center, you fall over. (FIY, it only weighs 380Lbs)



Dr Honda hit the nail on the head - if Sea Doo (or anyone else) would make a ~110H-~130 HP ski in the 400-600 pound dry weight range like the 90's models I would buy one. Why buy a lake limo for the same price as a used ski boat? 2 stroke, 4 stroke, whatever NEW technology - figure it out and you will sell skis like crazy. PLEASE!

They can't do this anymore.

We already have a 130hp Seadoo... but it weighs 800 Lbs. (so it's slow) Also, to hand lay fiberglass to make a strong, lightweight hull isn't feasible anymore.

As JoeZ said... we can't have 2-strokes any more. BUT... a 2 cyl 75hp ski without all the crap, and a 10 gallon tank could be built into a hull the size of the old X4 skis. This could get us back to a 450 to 500 Lb ski, that could achieve 45 to 50 mph. (as the old x4 skis did)

If they did that... we could have skis below the $6000 mark.


OK... with all that said... (and pleas don't take this the wrong way) but both Chad and evan are the perfect example of why my idea won't work. You guys both agree with me, but you both want features, and speed, but you want a cheap price tag. If SeaDoo built a ski like I an suggesting, no one would actually buy it because people don't want a stripped down ski.
 
Chad... you are missing the point. If you have a GPS, pre-drilled holes, a stereo, and want to get into the upper 50's... then it's going to be expensive. Something as simple as 4 extra holes, and the threaded inserts will add $300 to $400 by the time it gets to the dealers floor. I know that seems expensive... but I'm a manufacture, and I know what a couple extra holes cost.


I think you missed what I was saying. Obviously a 'base' model wouldn't have all those 'extra' features.

I am saying I would like to see a 'base' model at an affordable price, like the $5,899 MRSP SeaDoo GS model was.


You are one of a very small group who wants a 2 seater anymore. People like the 3 seaters because they can tow a tube, and take more friends out. Also, they need the size because of the weight of the newer engines, and all the extra crap they put on a ski these days. One thing most people don't think about is that a modern 3 person ski weighs as much as the simple Sportster boat in my avatar. (it only weighs 950Lbs dry) SO... if you take that same drive system, and all that support gear, and stick it in a 2 person hull, you still need to displace enough water to make it float. Oh... also, people what to be able to move around on a ski without it falling over. (they want a small boat) I have a little Si that I restored last spring. It's officially a 2 seater, but with one person... if you get off center, you fall over. (FIY, it only weighs 380Lbs)


My GS & GSX are both 2-seaters, with PLENTY of room for 2 adults, the only people that ride with me on my ski is one of my kids. I couldn't imagine riding around with 3-4 adults on a ski, what fun would that be? Get a boat!

I did test ride a '96 Yamaha 3-seater with an 1100 tripple and I didn't have much fun at all! My wife was zipping around in her SeaDoo GS, doing spin outs and I'm driving this limo around the water. When we got back to the dock, we switched and she road the Yamaha, less then a minute on the water she tells me "If you want this one that's fine, but the SeaDoo is mine!", After playing on the SeaDoo, we went back to the dock again and I told the sales guy, We'll take the GS, but were not interested in the Yamaha. Thankfully they had my GSX.

I buy a Jet Ski to take out on the water and jump waves, do spin outs, splash around and get wet. If I wanted a boat, I'd take my boat out! From my understanding, you don't even get wet on a modern ski unless you fall off, which as you mention is hard to even do now.

I know the late 90's SeaDoo XP was like you are saying, under power it was fine, but the second you let off the throttle if you get off center at all you were in the water. THAT is NOT fun, but the GSX/GS hull is great! Plenty stable, yet still very nimble.


OK... with all that said... (and pleas don't take this the wrong way) but both Chad and evan are the perfect example of why my idea won't work. You guys both agree with me, but you both want features, and speed, but you want a cheap price tag. If SeaDoo built a ski like I an suggesting, no one would actually buy it because people don't want a stripped down ski.


Again, I think you misunderstood me... On a base model I don't want features.. The features I suggested would be for the $8k-$15k models, not a $5000-$6000 base model.

What will never make it happen is the 4-stroke engine.

There use to be no problem making a ski for $5000-$6000 that would do 50MPH, weigh 500lbs and be stable-enough..

But thanks to the heavy 4-stroke engine, and all the crap that goes with it, you need 150+ HP and superchargers on a limo sized ski to get it's but out of the water.

-TheChad
 
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I think you missed what I was saying. Obviously a 'base' model wouldn't have all those 'extra' features.

I am saying I would like to see a 'base' model at an affordable price, like the $5,899 MRSP SeaDoo GS model was.

I buy a Jet Ski to take out on the water and jump waves, do spin outs, splash around and get wet. If I wanted a boat, I'd take my boat out! From my understanding, you don't even get wet on a modern ski unless you fall off, which as you mention is hard to even do now.



There use to be no problem making a ski for $5000-$6000 that would do 50MPH, weigh 500lbs and be stable-enough..

But thanks to the heavy 4-stroke engine, and all the crap that goes with it, you need 150+ HP and superchargers on a limo sized ski to get it's but out of the water.

-TheChad

SeaDoo and other makes need to realize the cold hard facts of todays economics's, long gone are many of the high paying jobs and easy finance days . it is going to be quite a while before things recover .

So it would be very wise to start thinking of way to cut costs period.

I am another one that just wants a low cost with a high fun factor SeaDoo , that is a two seater with 100 or so hp and weighs then 600lbs , you say that the market wants three seater mini boats ? i do not disagree, but that is mainly for the 35 and over crowd with kids , b
but what about the younger crowed with some money but want a pair of SeaDoo's for under 13 k ?

Do your research and look at the new income levels that will be the norm ..
 
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ayup, IMO the industry has strayed to far from the original idea of a jet "ski" and strayed to far towards jet "boat". Its supposed to be like skiing but without the boundaries imposed by being towed behind a boat.

You can stock your stable with six (or more), used, 2 stroke jet skis for the price of one new jet ski. i prefer to buy new, i like warranty's, and knowing the history of my machine but how can I justify super high prices of today's crafts. The one ski I would consider is the 800 SX-R.

I AM old, 40 years to be exact but I like a good workout. I have plenty of disposable income but I can't justify spending 10K+ on a wanna be boat.

I honestly think, that if you can produce a stripped down, fast, lightweight ski that 20 somethings can afford you will invigorate the market.

For me, I am just going to pick up another 2 stroke this Christmas for what the taxes would cost on those new monster lake limos :hurray:
 
PS. Why can Kawasaki still offer a two stroke?

They only do with the stand up ski. Yamaha still offers a 2-stroke in the SuperJet also. I think they can do that under a special permit since the volume is VERY low.


Chad...


Yes... I think I misunderstood. I thought you were looking for a $5k ski, but wanted speed, and all the electronics.

Maybe we need to send a email to Bombardier, with a link to this thread so they can read over what their customers actually want.
 
1) An optional depth finder/fish finder
2) An optional GPS
3) Better grade plastic and latches
4) Fire the designer and hire someone who has a clue
 
Hey Weaverama,

Regarding your fourth item, what is it that you so strongly dislike? What points are they missing on that you think they need to improve?
 
I took that as his way of saying that their designers are way out of touch with reality as far as the pricing of the new models.

I think everyone here atleast agrees that the pricing on these new machines is completely out of hand.

I think everyone wants to see more models under $10k that the 'average' person can afford.

-TheChad
 
I took that as his way of saying that their designers are way out of touch with reality as far as the pricing of the new models.

I think everyone here atleast agrees that the pricing on these new machines is completely out of hand.

I think everyone wants to see more models under $10k that the 'average' person can afford.

-TheChad

It had nothing to do with pricing, I might even had paid more if the style and color options were better. IMHO, they are just kind of ugly. There is not one clean line in the whole front end of my GTX. As I have said in another post, they look like a nine year old with a box of transformer parts slapped it together. And the quality of the plastic material used for the upper shell and latches is hurting.

I run in big saltwater conditions with a lot of swells and waves. Those mirrors are history the first time I cozy up to a pier and get caught by a swell. I just have to be real careful to avoid that situation, no remorse here though, I love this thing.

I bought mine for the iBr technology, safety, the Rotax engine, ease of maintenance (non supercharged) and all the good things I heard about Seadoos. I heard more bad things about other brands and stayed away from them.

I have two young teenage boys (13 and 14), who at this time don't need to go 75mph but do need a reliable machine because they are sometimes out on big water miles from shore. (Me too). Styling was not really an issue in my purchase decision, it was Seadoo or nothing else but this thread is asking for our opinion on what might we like to see in the future from Seadoo and I think the next thing they ought to tackle is a better looking and higher quality upper shell. I have owned mine for about 3 months now and have 68 hours on it. That's about a half a season of use here so my guess is that I will be looking for a new one in a few years, by then my boys will be ready for 75 mph and I would like to see a better looking ski, but I will still buy Seadoo for all the other reasons. :hurray:

Weaverama
 
Provide a better method of attaching the PTO flywheel. The current method is a real bitch to remove it. I'm sure there are many other good options.
 
wider

I bought a 2009 seadoo gti last spring. I would have liked to spend a lil less but im quite happy with it. I would like to see seadoo come out with a ski thats a lil wider built more for just crusin in stead of the thrills. i know some people on here might disagree with me on this but i think if you could do somthing like that people that want to lounge on a ski maybe fish off it it would be even more stable. and more storage on the ski would be great.
 
I bought a 2009 seadoo gti last spring. I would have liked to spend a lil less but im quite happy with it. I would like to see seadoo come out with a ski thats a lil wider built more for just crusin in stead of the thrills. i know some people on here might disagree with me on this but i think if you could do somthing like that people that want to lounge on a ski maybe fish off it it would be even more stable. and more storage on the ski would be great.


They do, There called Jet Boats.

Jet Ski's arn't suppose to be for fishing, party boating, etc. Crusing, sure but these new 4-strokers are plenty wide/stable enough for crusing.

If you want something bigger/wider with more storage, you seriously are looking at a sport/jet boat.

To be honest, if you arn't looking for it to be 'thrilling' as you say, then you'd be better off to go with a regular boat with outboard engine. Jet boats are expensive in comparison and the only thing they really offer you is the thrill factor, which you said you arn't looking for.

-TheChad
 
I bought a 2009 seadoo gti last spring. I would have liked to spend a lil less but im quite happy with it. I would like to see seadoo come out with a ski thats a lil wider built more for just crusin in stead of the thrills. i know some people on here might disagree with me on this but i think if you could do somthing like that people that want to lounge on a ski maybe fish off it it would be even more stable. and more storage on the ski would be great.

Not sure about your GTI, but my GTX, at 11' 7" is about as big as I can imagine a ski can get before you are talking jet boat. It is stable enough that I can stand on the edge (175lbs) and not tip it over. I bought mine for cruising, fishing and towing, not wake jumping. If I stay dry, that's a bonus too. At 50 years old I've had enough thrills on the water, some of which I would like to forget. It is a little short on storage though, but I have thrown together a small tackle box that holds the bare essentials. Still working on rod holders using suction cups.

I think I got a pretty good deal on mine over the summer. The offer was an additional 4 years on the warranty and a choice of $1000 off MSRP or a free trailer. I took the $1000 off and converted an old boat trailer to a ski trailer for around $300. No complaints about the price from me, and 56 mph is plenty fast. My buddy on his Kawasaki 1100 is taking an azz pounding while I am pretty much cutting waves; he does have me on the top end and hole shot, but his 2 stroke has already fried one computer at $1000.

p.s. One site shows a 2010 GTI as being and inch wider than a 2010 GTX
48 v. 49
 
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