nikdseadoo
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It should be said, as there are fewer and fewer shops available to rebuild these old 2 stroke twin cranks, but SES is not a good one.
More on that later. Full bore is basically unavailable, never pick up phone return calls or emails. SBT welds them, not that welding them is awful, just makes future rebuilds very difficult as I'm sure you know. I have an old 951 SBT crank and I just ordered a new rebuild from SBT before making this post because I have a second motor that needs to be rebuilt as well. But they will get their own crank back for a core so it works out. I'm sure there are others who do this service but these are the initial three I had found. With all that now known I may end up getting the tools to do the rebuilds myself. Maybe make some change on the side who knows.
On to SES. At first they seem great, he answers, he texts awesome. Communication is key. That's where the good ends. I'm told crank could be done in as little as 2 weeks 4 weeks tops. For accurate timeline purposes the crank get to him May 28th I don't expect it back till July. Texts me June 7th saying it should ship by the 11th, holy chit mang awesome! No shipping confirmation. Text me June 17th that its done. Still, super happy its that fast. Four days later June 21 I reach back out if it shipped and now it's waiting on seals, a new development. Big red flag here, how can the crank be done with out seals..... that he is waiting on!? Ok ok let it slide. Jun 29th now and seals are supposed to be in on July 1st. Whatever dude finish my crank. July 13th I check back as I have no crank and no shipping confirmation. At this point I have been super patient and am beginning to see the pattern of blatant lies. July 23rd now and I'm told its at the shipper and they should have shipped it already. I actually get the crank August 2nd, 9 full weeks after it arrived at his shop. And let me tell you the packaging of the crank was pathetic, I'm amazed it wasn't damaged, but who cares lets get on the water!
Ha! Sike. Go to assemble the motor and realize the outter bearings are installed backwards so the alignment pins do not go into their holes, oh and the main crank thrust washers aren't even on the crank any longer. Are you serious!!!??? If you are needing engine work, I suggest you steer clear from SES
This is all 100% factual, if there be any doubters I can post the time stamped text conversations if ya like.
Update:
Tom actually called to explain the issue this morning, and due to wanting to get back on the water, I will go with it.
He states that he never uses the thrush washers in an effort to allow the crank to move some, so the rods do not bind in the hole from not being centered properly due to crank being held into place. I agree with this in all honesty, with the way these two stroke cases are designed. So, No thrust washers for now.
As for the bearings being installed wrong he accepted that as his screw up and instructed to just remove the locating pins from the outside bearings. I'm a little iffy on this as to me they are less of alignment pins and more to keep the outter race from being able to spin in the cases. With the cases being good this shouldn't be an issue, but I may drop some loctite in there anyway to help ensure those bearings dont move.
So is this making it right? I guess to some extent.
More on that later. Full bore is basically unavailable, never pick up phone return calls or emails. SBT welds them, not that welding them is awful, just makes future rebuilds very difficult as I'm sure you know. I have an old 951 SBT crank and I just ordered a new rebuild from SBT before making this post because I have a second motor that needs to be rebuilt as well. But they will get their own crank back for a core so it works out. I'm sure there are others who do this service but these are the initial three I had found. With all that now known I may end up getting the tools to do the rebuilds myself. Maybe make some change on the side who knows.
On to SES. At first they seem great, he answers, he texts awesome. Communication is key. That's where the good ends. I'm told crank could be done in as little as 2 weeks 4 weeks tops. For accurate timeline purposes the crank get to him May 28th I don't expect it back till July. Texts me June 7th saying it should ship by the 11th, holy chit mang awesome! No shipping confirmation. Text me June 17th that its done. Still, super happy its that fast. Four days later June 21 I reach back out if it shipped and now it's waiting on seals, a new development. Big red flag here, how can the crank be done with out seals..... that he is waiting on!? Ok ok let it slide. Jun 29th now and seals are supposed to be in on July 1st. Whatever dude finish my crank. July 13th I check back as I have no crank and no shipping confirmation. At this point I have been super patient and am beginning to see the pattern of blatant lies. July 23rd now and I'm told its at the shipper and they should have shipped it already. I actually get the crank August 2nd, 9 full weeks after it arrived at his shop. And let me tell you the packaging of the crank was pathetic, I'm amazed it wasn't damaged, but who cares lets get on the water!
Ha! Sike. Go to assemble the motor and realize the outter bearings are installed backwards so the alignment pins do not go into their holes, oh and the main crank thrust washers aren't even on the crank any longer. Are you serious!!!??? If you are needing engine work, I suggest you steer clear from SES
This is all 100% factual, if there be any doubters I can post the time stamped text conversations if ya like.
Update:
Tom actually called to explain the issue this morning, and due to wanting to get back on the water, I will go with it.
He states that he never uses the thrush washers in an effort to allow the crank to move some, so the rods do not bind in the hole from not being centered properly due to crank being held into place. I agree with this in all honesty, with the way these two stroke cases are designed. So, No thrust washers for now.
As for the bearings being installed wrong he accepted that as his screw up and instructed to just remove the locating pins from the outside bearings. I'm a little iffy on this as to me they are less of alignment pins and more to keep the outter race from being able to spin in the cases. With the cases being good this shouldn't be an issue, but I may drop some loctite in there anyway to help ensure those bearings dont move.
So is this making it right? I guess to some extent.
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