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I was taking my bilge pump out to test it and I noticed a black circular metal piece with one wire coming out of it. It was sitting loose beside the sensor. I tested my bilge pump and it works but when I plug it in I get nothing. I figure the sensor is dirty but when I press the bilge button it should bypass the sensor and work should it not?

I tried to upload a pic but I can't seem to get it on this thread.
 
Turn on the bilge pump switch and unplug the harness right at the pump you can test for DC voltage in the supply side of the plug in, that will tell you what side of the plug in the problem is on. That circuit is fused by the way.
 
Thanks for getting back to me. The fuse is fine. I tested the plug as you said. I was getting a reading of well over 12volts. The setting on my meter was 20 volts max and it was exceeding that. When I put it to 200 volts max I couldn't get a reading. There is definately power going to that plug but when I plug the pump in I get nothing.
 
Thanks for getting back to me. The fuse is fine. I tested the plug as you said. I was getting a reading of well over 12volts. The setting on my meter was 20 volts max and it was exceeding that. When I put it to 200 volts max I couldn't get a reading. There is definately power going to that plug but when I plug the pump in I get nothing.

Leave it plugged in and turned on, probe through both wire casings with the lead points as they enter the pump body and see if there is power going into the pump. If yes bad pump, if no wire issue between top of pump and plug in on the receptor side.
 
Leave it plugged in and turned on, probe through both wire casings with the lead points as they enter the pump body and see if there is power going into the pump. If yes bad pump, if no wire issue between top of pump and plug in on the receptor side.

Ok thanks. I will try that tomorrow and let you know. When I had the pump of I tried jt with 12volt battery and it worked.
 
Ok thanks. I will try that tomorrow and let you know. When I had the pump of I tried jt with 12volt battery and it worked.

I played around with the switch on the dash and got the pump working. There must have been a bad connection there. Everything is now working.

Thanks for your help.
 
I love those cheap repairs.

I was so happy with my fix that I took the boat out today and the right engine would not go over 3500rpm.

I guess I am back to the drawing board. I am going to put new plugs in tomorrow and see if that helps. If not I have noticed on here it can be quite a few different things.
 
Pull the plugs and post a few pictures of them, got a compression tester? That's the first place to start, always remove the plugs from a cold engine head, reinstall them firmly but not to complete torque spec. and run the engine a little bit to bring it up to temp and make sure everythings oiled.

Pull the plugs, ground the leads and compression test both cylinders and post the psi numbers we'll help you get it squared away from there.
 
Thanks a million waterluvr. I check that tomorrow. We are suppose to get a lot of rain tomorrow but I will go out and do it in between rain falls. I will keep you updated.

Thanks again

I tried to post a picture before for you but when I went to upload it, it showed that it had done it but the pic was not there.
 
I am at the cottage so I am posting it from my phone. I wonder if that is the problem

No worries, always check compression first and verify wires are firing the plugs and move on from there to the fuel side of things. Your running twin 787's in your Challenger yes? They like clean Rave valves, always a good idea to clean and remove carbon build up on the valves and make sure the atmosphere hole in the housing isn't plugged up and the o-rings are sealing.
 
Yes it is twin 787's. Can I clean the Rave valves myself. I am not a mechanic but I have done minor engine work.

Sure you can it's actually quite easy with very few parts involved, your motor uses the older style housings held in place by two metric hex bolts (just do one at a time start to finish). All you have to do is lower the wire retainer to unlock the cap, that pulls right up and off and there is a compression spring right under the cap you can set aside with that. Remove the two bolts in the housing and the entire assembly will come right up and out for cleaning.

The top of the valve stem un threads from the nut and comes right out, there is a single o-ring on the shaft body.

I like to use WD-40 and a red scotch brite to clean them with, there's lots of videos on You Tube that show how to do it and service and clean the bellows and housing as well.

You should use a new housing gasket and inspect the o-ring when it goes back together.
 
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Thanks Waterluvr. You have to love preventative maintenance you can do yourself.

I was at the Seadoo dealer today. They can get the o ring if I need it but they can't find the housing gasket. I can't see it on the parts list

Is there a cheaper place or website to get seadoo parts? I am going to pressure test the boat tomorrow so I will let you know.
 
Try http://www.seadoowarehouse.com/ they sponsor the site here.

Compression tested all 4 cylinders. Each one was 120psi. The gauge I used was brand new but not a high end gauge.

The plugs looked pretty good but I changed the two on the engine that was running low rpm. Tested that motor on land with water hooked up and it is running 7000rpm again. I then put new plugs in the other engine even though it was running 7000rpm. As soon as the weather gets better here I will take it out for a run. I noticed a little bit if water running underneath the left engine when I was warming it up. It is running straight to the back sump. I noticed before there wad water in the sump but never thought about it. I am guessing that one of the water lines has a crack. Are there any water lines at the bottom front if the engine compartment? I see the black water lines going to the cylinder head. What does the small clear water line that goes to each head do?.

Thanks again Waterluvr for fixing the rpm issue.
 
I have not gone back and read through the post. But at 120 PSI, your engines are very near the end if their life. Looks like winter projects are in your future.
 
If there is only 120 psi remaining in each one of those cylinders you have reached the point where an excess of heat is going to be making it's way past the worn piston rings and eroding the oil film from your pistons on the power stroke. Even though it makes WOT while sitting static on the trailer with no load on the PTO side of the motor and shaft that all changes when it's in the water and under constant load from the pump.

The issue is your rings/pistons/cylinders are worn to the point where they cannot completely compress the air/fuel mixture and that is robbing you of horsepower at the crankshaft, you won't be able to get the boat on plane and drop the throttles to keep it there once the engine's ability to make horsepower falls off far enough and it sounds like you're there with one of them already.

In addition to that, the searing hot exhaust gasses that need to be directed out of the exhaust ports and into the manifold are now partially making it past the rings and attacking the film of oil on your pistons and skirts.

It doesn't take much blow by on worn rings and cylinder walls to melt the alloy's in the piston and score them and start transferring aluminum to the cylinder walls. In your case I would remove the spark plugs, pull the rave valve's back out and rotate the pto so you can see the sides of the pistons as they move up and down in the bore and observe their condition.

Hopefully the pistons aren't scored yet, the sooner you catch an engine with low compression the less likely your chances of damaging the crank and seals are. It's a fairly simple process to remove the cylinders for boring and honing and replacing the pistons and rings to restore power to the engine.

The dangers of continuing to operate an engine with low compression is that the pistons will continue to shed aluminum, cylinder wear will increase and sooner or later the piston skirt's will crack, rod bearings will fail on the wrist pins and send large fragments down into the crankcase effectively destroying the entire engine.

It would certainly be worthwhile to use another tester just to validate your findings, but at this point 120 psi is a red flag to open up the top end's of the motors for inspection.

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Regarding your water line question, reference the blue arrow in the schematic that is the tell tale line that runs from the exhaust riser and back a couple feet to the tell tale fitting above the swim platform that shows you a stream of water discharging to indicate the jet pump is supplying cooling water.

The red arrows show the location of the clear lines that T near the bottom of the bilge, check those for leaks and also use an inspection mirror to see under the exhaust head pipe there are a couple of the casting pipe plugs that are welded in place that will develop leaks. The pipe can be removed and tig welded to repair it.

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If there is only 120 psi remaining in each one of those cylinders you have reached the point where an excess of heat is going to be making it's way past the worn piston rings and eroding the oil film from your pistons on the power stroke. Even though it makes WOT while sitting static on the trailer with no load on the PTO side of the motor and shaft that all changes when it's in the water and under constant load from the pump.

The issue is your rings/pistons/cylinders are worn to the point where they cannot completely compress the air/fuel mixture and that is robbing you of horsepower at the crankshaft, you won't be able to get the boat on plane and drop the throttles to keep it there once the engine's ability to make horsepower falls off far enough and it sounds like you're there with one of them already.

In addition to that, the searing hot exhaust gasses that need to be directed out of the exhaust ports and into the manifold are now partially making it past the rings and attacking the film of oil on your pistons and skirts.

It doesn't take much blow by on worn rings and cylinder walls to melt the alloy's in the piston and score them and start transferring aluminum to the cylinder walls. In your case I would remove the spark plugs, pull the rave valve's back out and rotate the pto so you can see the sides of the pistons as they move up and down in the bore and observe their condition.

Hopefully the pistons aren't scored yet, the sooner you catch an engine with low compression the less likely your chances of damaging the crank and seals are. It's a fairly simple process to remove the cylinders for boring and honing and replacing the pistons and rings to restore power to the engine.

The dangers of continuing to operate an engine with low compression is that the pistons will continue to shed aluminum, cylinder wear will increase and sooner or later the piston skirt's will crack, rod bearings will fail on the wrist pins and send large fragments down into the crankcase effectively destroying the entire engine.

It would certainly be worthwhile to use another tester just to validate your findings, but at this point 120 psi is a red flag to open up the top end's of the motors for inspection.

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Regarding your water line question, reference the blue arrow in the schematic that is the tell tale line that runs from the exhaust riser and back a couple feet to the tell tale fitting above the swim platform that shows you a stream of water discharging to indicate the jet pump is supplying cooling water.

The red arrows show the location of the clear lines that T near the bottom of the bilge, check those for leaks and also use an inspection mirror to see under the exhaust head pipe there are a couple of the casting pipe plugs that are welded in place that will develop leaks. The pipe can be removed and tig welded to repair it.

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Ok thanks. I will check things out and let you know. I am back to work so I will get to it when I can and let you know.

Thanks again.
 
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