Sub move maybe broke my reverse gate?

[reflexpowerman]

I did a little sub move on my 06 scic sportster this weekend. first off, is did not sub half as good as my old yamaha exciter, so i removed the throttle limiter for reverse. I took the boat out and did a couple of pretty good sub moves, then heard a clanking in the back, my reverse cable was dragging the reverse gate bracket the reverse gate is completely missing.

My question is : can sea doo boats perform sub moves reliably? (my boat would not sub at all with the throttle limiter for reverse installed)i did hundreds of them with my yamaha and had zero problems.

bigger problem i broke my shifter, cable, gate, and gate support.$$$
even bigger problem : my wife loved the move and wants more.:drool5:

 

[cheappc]

I did a little sub move on my 06 scic sportster this weekend. first off, is did not sub half as good as my old yamaha exciter, so i removed the throttle limiter for reverse. I took the boat out and did a couple of pretty good sub moves, then heard a clanking in the back, my reverse cable was dragging the reverse gate bracket the reverse gate is completely missing.

My question is : can sea doo boats perform sub moves reliably? (my boat would not sub at all with the throttle limiter for reverse installed)i did hundreds of them with my yamaha and had zero problems.

bigger problem i broke my shifter, cable, gate, and gate support.$$$
even bigger problem : my wife loved the move and wants more.:drool5:

What is a sub move?

 

[pvamax]

What is a sub move?

[video=youtube;npA_oB4xjsk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npA_oB4xjsk[/video]

 

[Macster]

Each to their own. Intentionally swamping my boat is not high on the list of things to do. When the bucket comes down at forward momentum speed it's effectively a mini parachute which is probably why it snapped off. I've seen guys post videos of them doing it (without disabling the throttle / reverse safety over ride.

You could get a smaller but similar effect by doing donuts and sinking the bow into your own wake without putting all that pressure on the reverse bucket.

 

[biffdotorg]

Did you disable the reverse rev limiter, or did you disable the shift lockout? In other words, are you able to shift from F-N-R without closing the throttle? Those are two very HUGE differences.

I really don't think my X-20 has a limiter for reverse, but I cannot shift to N or R without closing the throttle. Moving that reverse bucket without closing the throttle is a horrible way to trash your reverse bucket. It doesn't take hardly any throttle to sub our 20ft SeaDoo. So I am getting this feeling you may have disabled the lock out.

Let us know what you did, and what you are doing to remedy it. Keep the lockout and get quick with the sticks. It's easy to close the throttle, flip to reverse, and feather the throttle. No heavy throttle is needed.

I have both small sub and huge sub vids if you have not seen them on here yet.

Good luck!

 

[biffdotorg]

Tame Subs

http://youtu.be/ABS1pB3-CZI

Holy Crap Sub

http://youtu.be/sJVfmfk8gwg

 

[reflexpowerman]

i just removed the mechanical throttle limiter for reverse, you still have to pull the throttle back to change from forward to reverse. i can just apply more throttle now. i have done MANY sub moves on both my yamaha ar 230 and my yamaha exciter. my question is have you guys noticed this causing bucket damage frequently?

 

[timeman]

I don't get it...swamping the boat, flooding the engine compartment, fuse box etc is ...fun? Looks like there would be better ways to trash a boat, ...maybe, tow it to the lake without the trailer?

 

[reflexpowerman]

I don't get it...swamping the boat, flooding the engine compartment, fuse box etc is ...fun? Looks like there would be better ways to trash a boat, ...maybe, tow it to the lake without the trailer?

well i see somebody does not have the same views on fun as i do! your statement is dumb! towing without a trailer!! IT DOES NOT FLOOD THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT unless you do it over and over. to get the water out you just get it up to speed then pull a 360. People that ride in my boat love it and are excited! i have done this over and over through the years with NO problems except a broken reverse gate because i switched brands because yamaha does not make a boat suitable for extreme maneuvers any more. A speedster is an oversized jet ski, it is made to get wet................

 

[cycleguy88]

why not just jump in the water to get wet, then back in the boat and drive off? Seems kinda silly to me to sub a boat, but good luck. I hated it when my 180 did it on accident.

 

[reflexpowerman]

the look on peoples faces when this is done is priceless

 

[koontek]

I agree with reflex . Everybody loves the sub move! i take my little cousins out and do it and they call it splash mountain! I have a challenger 1800 and never had a problem doing but i have heard of other times people ripping off the buckets. Maybe your doing it too hard? I never do it at full speed and let it coast for a little bit before hitting the reverse . This is one of the coolest things jet boats can do that regular boats cannot!

 

[470]

I don't own a seadoo boat though with the jet ski I don't use reverse. I just wait for 5-10' waves on lake michigan and ride with them. When you get up on top of them you just punch it down the back side and sub it into the bottom of the next one. If you do it just right and don't go too deep you can bust a perfect circle of water to go through and never get wet.

 

[timeman]

well I see someone doesn't have the same skin thickness as I do....but hey, it's your boat / your money, whatever turns you on, however, this video, (posted above in this same thread) seems to dispute your "doesn't flood the engine compartment" statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJVfmfk8gwg&feature=youtu.be

 

[biffdotorg]

This is an old video of mine, and I took plenty of praise and heat about it when I first posted it last year. There were plenty of folks, like timeman above, that don't understand how the drain system works on 90% of the SeaDoo boats in production.

It is possible to put a considerable amount of water on the floor of a 20ft Challenger without any hitting the engine compartment. The boat is designed to drain out the corner of the floor and back of the boat. Of course a fair amount will leak into the ski locker, which drains into the engine compartment, but that amount is easily drained with a working bilge pump. This amount would never get even close to the engine, let alone the intake of the electronics.

If you are dumb enough to try and open the ski locker door, then it would dump right in there. This would still not reach the intakes and should not cause any harm if the engine is off. As well if you have your sub woofers or amps on the floor of your boat, you are asking for trouble. My speakers are high and my amp is mounted high under the console.

If you get the boat up on plane, as noted above, the water will drain right out the side of the boat and out the scupper valve in the rear. I have no carpet, and the hydro turf is doing it's job. Everyone has an opinion, and if I couldn't take the heat, I wouldn't post it.

On a related note, I am dissapointed that not 8 hours after putting this old link up here on Seadooforum, that someone (goldens984) felt the need to post a very disrespectful comment on my YouTube channel. I will not go on a witch hunt, as it could have just been coincidence that not a single comment was posted for months and all of a sudden one shows up after that post yesterday.

If you care to comment about how stupid my actions are, feel free to post them here. I have thick skin, and respect other's opinions. But there is no need to make comments about the looks of my wife, daughter, sister or nieces. That's just disrespectful. This was no punk either, according to a youtube profile, it was a 46 year old who should have known better. As I mentioned, it may be unfair for me to point fingers as I enjoy the conversation with members here. It may have been a coincidence.

 

[Owen Birch]

...the first time I started my SCIC 150 Speedster, it was in neutral with the steering wheel turned. It went into a "quicker than we could handle at the time" 360 spin (at idle) and hit the dock.

We later found out the reverse bucket hit the dock (wood) and cracked the frame that holds the reverse bucket (near the bolts) to the point it would have broken off if we used reverse much during that outing.

I think the reverse bucket frame was about $220 to replace.

 

[Macster]

On a related note, I am dissapointed that not 8 hours after putting this old link up here on Seadooforum, that someone (goldens984) felt the need to post a very disrespectful comment on my YouTube channel. I will not go on a witch hunt, as it could have just been coincidence that not a single comment was posted for months and all of a sudden one shows up after that post yesterday.

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Mate - I disable comments on You tube if I post a video. There's approximately 10 million people that all they do is bag the hell out of any video they watch 24/7.

I've appreciated this thread, not cause I intend to swamp my boat, but because I was of the former belief that the cabin drain simply went into the engine bay. Good to know for added piece of mind if I ever cop a wave over the bow.

 

[James.Moon]

I had a similar problem that broke the reverse gate off. This before I learned how tricky these boats are near docks with their tendency to spin on a dime even without throttle. Even in neutral there is some forward thrust which will spin it if steering wheel turned the least amount. At slow speeds it is worse than my 66 plymouth was at high speeds and bias ply tires hunting for either ditch! I had never driven any boat before in my life and the manual did not alert me to this. To make matters worse it said you need throttle to steer. I am not quite proficient handling it, but it was a crap shoot the first few 10 hours. The guy in the Marina said "You picked a tough boat to learn on."

 

[Z_Monzter]

The sub move is crazy. I personally will never try to do that to my boat. Thumbs up for you bro for being the brave one. I just don't like the idea of having my boat full of water on the inside.