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nickj718

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Iv seen many things online about how people add speakers and a radio to their skis. Some have two batteries some have only one. My question is are two batteries needed? I understand if you in the water just sitting 2 batteries would be good because if you kill the one you have the other that is just for running and starting but if your only going to run the radio while driving are 2 needed?
 
I have no problems with running off of one battery. In the last 12 hours, I have started the ski 254 times (I have instaleld a tach/hour meter that also keeps track for the number of starts.) even with the frequent starts I have had zero issues with the battery and the battery light has not come on yet either. I will be putting in a second battery though as I have a fear of getting stuck in the middle of nowhere with a dead battery! I am not running an amp though so not sure if I did hook an amp to my radio line out and jucied it up if that would still be ok on one battery. My set up is a Jensen MS30 gauge radio and two pyle 4" marine speakers.
 
I have a pyle 240 watt rms waterproof amp, that runs two pyle 6.5s and a pyle subwoofer. I run a sperate battery that is not linked into the charging system of the ski at all. It just gets hooked up to a toggle switch to turn on and off. It will run for about 14-16 hours before i need to put it on the charger. Im just afraid that it will screw up the stator or any of the other electrical by drawing power.
 
Here's the key: I think if you have a voltmeter attached to the starting battery and begin to overwhelm the charging system then you'll see the system voltage dropping below 12.5 volts, at this point the starting battery will begin to discharge as the rectifier/stator cannot keep up.

I also think if your stereo + ski draw in total less than the wattage spec for your stator charging system, it should work fine with just one battery. The risk is discharging the single battery while the engine isn't running or it's running at slow speeds.

Watts = Amps x volts, so if your stereo consumes 240 watts constantly then the amperage draw would be around 240W/13.8v=17.4 Amps, a constant load like this is probably overloading your charging system and drawing the remaining makeup current from the battery. I bet the system voltage would drop to less than 12.5volts under these conditions.

So, just watch the voltage and turn down the volume as the system voltage begins to drop to 12.5 volts. You'll have more power as engine speed increases, I wouldn't try to exceed more wattage than the stator/RR are rated, plus a few amps for the ignition and gauges.

In the case of the 951 carbed motor, the charging system is rated at 180 watts, which at 12.5 volts is around 14.4 amps. Figuring probably 4 amps are necessary to power the ignition and gauges(estimated, not actually measured), then you'd have nearly 10 Amps remaining power, which is 10A x 12.4 volts = about 120 watts.

I doubt a stereo will draw this much power unless you play it annoyingly loud, perhaps I should tell you you cannot add a stereo to you ski?
 
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Good stuff. I would not think any additional loading could hurt the system components. They are only going produce what they can, not try you make more just because we need it. It seems like if you can produce 180 watts and draw 240 then are showing killing the battery. I have a 200 what amp on a gtx and don't have any problems with one battery. A second battery would really just increase the time you could listen an ride without killing the batteries. The only solution is to make more power than you consume. Don't listen while you ride all the time. Or charge the batteries at home after you ride.

Check out my custom speaker mount made from six inch pvc pipe fittings.

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Right, having a 200 Watt amplifier doesn't mean it consumes 200 Watts continuously, but it can consume more then the charging circuit is capable of supplying if you turn up the volume loud enough.

Fuel injection systems also place a heavy load on the charging systems. Firing injectors and running high-pressure electric fuel pumps consumes quite a bit of power, so you won't have as much remaining for running other things, such as spotlights, stereos, etc. so fuel injection systems can start acting up and throwing codes if there isn't enough power.
 
. A second battery would really just increase the time you could listen an ride without killing the batteries. The only solution is to make more power than you consume.

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Not true. If you add an isolator and a second battery, you could run the power for the radio off the second battery. The first battery would never drain as a result. Both batteries would charge when the ski is running but isolates the second battery just for the radio. I just have not figured out yet how many amps is output by my sea doo to know which isolator to buy. Here is a link....


http://www.amazon.com/PAC-Power-Rel...d=1375031118&sr=8-9&keywords=battery+isolator
 
Not true. If you add an isolator and a second battery, you could run the power for the radio off the second battery. The first battery would never drain as a result. Both batteries would charge when the ski is running but isolates the second battery just for the radio. I just have not figured out yet how many amps is output by my sea doo to know which isolator to buy. Here is a link....


http://www.amazon.com/PAC-Power-Rel...d=1375031118&sr=8-9&keywords=battery+isolator

I'm not sure if your shop manual specifies the charge current capacity, but the later manuals seem to.

With a second battery you might be able to get by with juggling batteries, however, a second battery doesn't increase charging system capacity no mater how they're connected. For instance, if your ski's charging system produces a maximum of 14A and total system consumption is a constant 20A, the voltage on one or both batteries will eventually fall below acceptable operating levels.
 
Just finished this today. I have installed two tweeters up top and a mid range 6.5 sub in the hood. The hood is pretty sealed up so it has amazing bass plus the storage bin kind of acts like a trunk of enclosure as well. When you close the hood you can see the tweeters at a cretin angle and they are exposed so the sound travels out to the driver. I have a 240 watt pyle marine amp hooked up to a separate battery up front. Which has a hook up for a trickle charger so I don't have to remove anything to charge it up. I was out on the lake with it after I installed it and its super loud. It plays though a ipod in a storage container. Or any 3.5 jack player. Please ignore how dirty it is i just got finished wet sanding and buffing my new paint job. What a pain. Gotta clean up the nooks and crevices and shield the wires


 
Nice! Any external marine speakers or is the entire unit sealed off under the lid? I would look to secure the RCA plug wiring to the bottom of the amp so there is no downward pressure on the fitting. You will either smap off the rca plug or severe the wire from repeated removing/installing the bin.
 
Pardon the sarcasm here Camp, but if you know how to make more energy than you consume from any device, please let me know. I would love to be the one proves Einstein wrong. All the iso switch does is ensure you don't end up in the middle of no where with 2 dead batteries. If your system draws less power than your machine makes then listen all day. Otherwise sooner or later you will have ride without music or charge the battery.

Nick the system looks great. Where did you get connection for trickle charger? I might follow your lead there so I can add to my system.
 
Pardon the sarcasm here Camp, but if you know how to make more energy than you consume from any device, please let me know. I would love to be the one proves Einstein wrong. All the iso switch does is ensure you don't end up in the middle of no where with 2 dead batteries. If your system draws less power than your machine makes then listen all day. Otherwise sooner or later you will have ride without music or charge the battery.

Nick the system looks great. Where did you get connection for trickle charger? I might follow your lead there so I can add to my system.

No problem bone head. Pardon my sarcasm as well..... :>) My point was not that one could prove Einstein wrong but rather you said that the "A second battery would really just increase the time you could listen an ride without killing the batteries" My response was exactly what you said in your last post in that a benefit of adding a second battery with an isolator would help to keep you from being stranded should you drain the battery, the main should still have enough juice to start your ride.
 
If you look at my picture of th hood open the the left you will see where the harness leads into the hood for the cluster. I ran it up that wire loom when I'm not using it I tuck it up the hood.ill take pictures and post them tomorrow
 
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