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Should we purchase 2004 Utopia ?

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glnrcker

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We are thinking of purchasing a 2004 Utopia 205. We are a family of 4 (2 adults and 2 children). It has low hours and 200hp. How happy are you 205 Utopia owners? Is it really as bad in choppy water as we have heard? We would be using it on Barnegat Bay in NJ. Originally, we were going to purchase a 2002 Islandia but our offer was declined.

This would be our first boat. Interested in hearing the bad, the good & the ugly. Thanks for any advice.
 
Only you can decide what is the right boat for you. If you are mainly sticking to the ocean than these boats just aren't very sea worthy. Choppy water isn't good and the kids will be bouncing off their seats all the time. They are pretty much great lake boats and that is about it. If you are going in the sea you need at least 24" and bigger for it to not be bad in the choppy water.
 
If you are in relatively calm well protected bays then go for the Utopia, but if you spend most of your time in open water I agree with the above. I would not feel comfortable in much less than 24 feet with a stern drive and a kicker for back up.


Aaron
 
Mercury?...

You don't state which one your looking at. There were 3 models made in 2004. They were all the same, only the engines are different. You can get it with the 200 Optimax, the 240 Electronic Fuel Injected or the 250 Optimax.

Which ever model your looking at, I would vote against getting it. Not because it's a bad boat, only because it's a hybrid and hard to find someone to maintenance it. The Seadoo dealers, since they no longer use the Mercury M-2 engine configurations, don't normally support working on the engines. They are Rotax mechanics, not Mercury. The Mercury dealerships don't work on it because it's a jet boat. I don't think this is the same all over the country. I'm sure there are still some dealers that take care of them, just make sure that your living in an area where you can find this work if you need it. And if you need the M-2 motor replaced or rebuilt, look into the cost of this, in the event the worse happens and you need it done. You don't want to faint at the price of "sticker" shock.

Finding parts online is tough too. If you go back into the forum and do a search on M-2 owners, you'll see how hard a time they have been having finding someone to work on their boat or just finding affordable parts for them.

There was a owner of a Challenger, with the M-2 not long ago, blew his powerhead. The dealership that he found that would do the work, wanted to charge him $12,000 dollars to replace the motor.

So, do some research on this hybrid Seadoo before making a decision on the purchase................:cheers:
 
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What's a hybrid SeaDoo?

Thought I was clear, but I guess not. We won't be using it in the open seas, just Barnegat BAY. I stated 200hp, so it's not the 250Optimax, nor the 240.
We have a least two marinas nearby that do work on the mercury engines and have maintained both boats that we were considering.

Hoping for Utopia 205 owners to tell me whether they would recommend it to a family with young kids. Maybe I should post it on the East Coast board. Thanks.
 
200 hp.......

Sorry, I did re-read your post and see where you did in fact state that. From what I've seen of these boats, they are nice. But there have been complaints in the forum from owners that it porpoises quite a bit. I think this is due in part that the V-6 engine is heavy, making it back heavy in the hull. So you may be looking into the trim packages as an option if it's not already equipped.

The forum has roughly 3 % of Mercury M-2 owners, who have had major complaints about it, but if you are considering it and you know that you can find repair work for it, then you'll be happy with it as a family boat. I have two small children and the only thing I would caution is that these boats can turn on a dime. The first time I made a turn, the pump hooked the nose hard and it spun out, throwing my 6 year old daughter across the isle. Lucky, the tube was there to soften the impact. I've since learned to make the turns slow and deliberate.

Finding a specific answer to your question may be hard. I believe rookie101 owns the M-2 boat. If you don't hear from him here in the forum, try a PM.

I just noticed your subject line asking "what's a hybrid Seadoo. Hybrid, in this case, means it's composed of two different manafacturers. The Bombardier Corporation, which is the maker of Seadoo and Skidoo is integrated with the engine maker, which is Rotax. These boats made from 2000 to 2005, were Mercury's 2nd attempt into the jet powered engines. During this time, they were the larges horsepower engines that Seadoo could put in these heavier boats. But now, with the 4-TEC, Rotax engines reaching 255 horsepower, with less engine weight, the Mercury engines were discontinued. This is why they are considered a hybrid Seadoo. Here in the South, it's hard to find a Seadoo dealer that still works on the Mercury motor. Since their mechanics are primarily trained on the Rotax 2 cycle and the 4-TEC engines.
 
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I actually have the smaller Utopia, the 185, but find it the perfect family boat. There is tons of storage for tubes ropes ect. The boat is super easy to handle and turns on a dime.

These Merc motors have a manually adjustable trim plate at the back of the boat that will get rid of any porpoise you may have.

I'm a little surprised the 205 has the same 200 optimax as my 185 though. I have no lack of power in mine (have towed a 300lb wake boarder, and can get 44.6mph gps out of it), but would of thought they would put the 240 in a twenty foot boat. If you can take it for a water test and see what you think of the power.

All in all mine has been a great boat and the 200 optimax sips fuel so I have been very happy with the motor as well.

Hope this helps a bit more.:cheers:



Aaron
 
Thanks Aaron...

Thanks for the reply Aaron........This model actually came in the 210, 240 and the 250 hp engine range. I was unaware that the Seadoo M-2, 200 hp was even used. In all my shop manuals, they only have the 210, 240 and 250 Optimax, Electronic fuel injeted and the Direct Fuel injection motors.........so, now I'm off to do more reading about the 200.......:cheers:
 
More thoughts

Just checked the previous model year specs on Sea-Doo dot com and they do list the 200hp optimax as an option, along with the 240 and 250.

I should also have mentioned that I have been in a lot of other boats (there are seven in my immediate family alone) and I don't find that my Utopia rides any rougher than any other 18' boat. I also love the way the bimini top folds into the trunk when not in use.

The only real maintenance you have to worry about with the Optimax besides making sure the oil tank stays full is changing the jet pump oil once a season, or 100 hours witch ever comes first.




Aaron
 
Thanks guys!

Now it seems we have had an offer accepted on a 2003 Islandia, so we may go with that one. We were scheduled to take the Utopia for a test drive on Saturday afternoon, but now it may not be necessary. The disadvantage to both is that neither one is in NJ. Islandia in MD and Utopia in DE.
 
Thanks Everyone!

Well, we're off to test drive both tomorrow. Lucky for us, the one we
thought was in MD happens to be right in DE too! So if they are both in the
same kind of shape, we will probably go with the Islandia.

Keeping our fingers crossed for no rain.
 
Can't wait till the 2009 season!

Well it turned out we didn't like either of the boats in DE.
So we counteroffered on our original 2002 Islandia and now we own a boat!
Thanks again everyone.:cheers:
 
Congrats on the new purchase. You will definitely enjoy it for sure. I got my 97 Challenger just a month or 2 ago and I only used it twice and loved it. Now it is in the 30's when we wake up so boating is done for the season. I can't wait for spring.
 
glnrcker, Congrats on the boat purchase!

The only thing I can suggest you do is listen to the motor and get it serviced regularly (annually or semi-annually depending how much you go out)...

I've heard lots of people who really love their merc powered boats, but I've also read more than one instance of the engine throwing a rod or such (oil or fuel injection troubles, or ignoring overheating).

Engine problems can occur in all boats, but since the merc jets weren't made for very long, it is very hard to find replacement engines, and they can run for $2500-$5000 JUST for the motor, not counting that much again for install.

So listen to it, get to know how it is supposed to sound, and have some fun!

-Jesse
 
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glnrcker, Congrats on the boat purchase!

The only thing I can suggest you do is listen to the motor and get it serviced regularly (annually or semi-annually depending how much you go out)...

I've heard lots of people who really love their merc powered boats, but I've also read more than one instance of the engine throwing a rod or such (oil or fuel injection troubles, or ignoring overheating).

Engine problems can occur in all boats, but since the merc jets weren't made for very long, it is very hard to find replacement engines, and they can run for $2500-$5000 JUST for the motor, not counting that much again for install.

So listen to it, get to know how it is supposed to sound, and have some fun!

-Jesse






All good advice, but they still make, and have been making the Mercury sport jet line longer than Sea-Doo has had their 4tec motors. Sugar Sand still uses them, as well as most custom river boat manufactures. They do tend to be very expensive to replace though as the Optimax line is an outboard power head attached to a jet pump, and outboards are very expensive to replace.

Make sure you use the TCW3 oil from Merc, and keep up with all of you service, and you should be very happy with the boat. Try and find a Mercury dealer to work on the power head though, as the Sea-Doo shops don't know them all that well.:cheers:



Aaron
 
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