machprodcomp
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Why Seadoo over Yamaha Jetboat
Why did you buy a seadoo over a yamaha?
Why did you buy a seadoo over a yamaha?
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Seadoo vs Yamaha Jetboat
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Craigmri
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Seadoo
I purchased Seadoos(I've owned three of them) for the following reasons:
1) Great designs
2) They fit in my garage
3) Closed loop cooling(at least on the 4-tec)
4) Prices seem better
With that said, The fit and finish appear better on the Yamahas to me. Yamaha had clean-out plugs in the swim platform so they at least are making an effort to help the owners out in this regard when you suck stuff up(and you will). I still dont like the idea of the raw water cooling on the Yamaha but then again, I had to flush the exhaust on the 4-tec anyway so its a chore on either boat after salt water usage. While the Rotax 4-tec is a sweet engine you just cannot beat the Japanese motorcycle engines and I believe the Yamaha engine is a derivative of their R1 streetbike engine and its legendary.
If I had to have another jet boat at this time I would probably look long and hard at the 21' yamaha. It wouldn't fit in my garage but I would give Yamaha a try before another Seadoo but that's just my personal choice.
Craig
I purchased Seadoos(I've owned three of them) for the following reasons:
1) Great designs
2) They fit in my garage
3) Closed loop cooling(at least on the 4-tec)
4) Prices seem better
With that said, The fit and finish appear better on the Yamahas to me. Yamaha had clean-out plugs in the swim platform so they at least are making an effort to help the owners out in this regard when you suck stuff up(and you will). I still dont like the idea of the raw water cooling on the Yamaha but then again, I had to flush the exhaust on the 4-tec anyway so its a chore on either boat after salt water usage. While the Rotax 4-tec is a sweet engine you just cannot beat the Japanese motorcycle engines and I believe the Yamaha engine is a derivative of their R1 streetbike engine and its legendary.
If I had to have another jet boat at this time I would probably look long and hard at the 21' yamaha. It wouldn't fit in my garage but I would give Yamaha a try before another Seadoo but that's just my personal choice.
Craig
Biased?...
I believe the reason for no replies is because it's asking for a biased answer. You post the question here, the members are going to say Seadoo. You ask the question in a Yamaha forum, they will say Yamaha.
I owned 3 Yamaha's when I joined this forum in 2007. I got rid of them and bought Seadoo. I didn't buy it because it was better than the Yamaha, I just got a better deal on it.
If you look at statistics, the Seadoo is the number one, best selling and fastest ski, right off the show room floor. Now, there may be some better made skis that are modded but seems I remember the last set of results I saw in the PWC racing news, also had Seadoo on top.
I'm sure there are some other sanctioned events that Honda or Yamaha has dominated.
The question also reminds me of one that asks which is better, the Chevy or the Ford? It's a loaded question and will most def get a biased answer.:cheers:
I believe the reason for no replies is because it's asking for a biased answer. You post the question here, the members are going to say Seadoo. You ask the question in a Yamaha forum, they will say Yamaha.
I owned 3 Yamaha's when I joined this forum in 2007. I got rid of them and bought Seadoo. I didn't buy it because it was better than the Yamaha, I just got a better deal on it.
If you look at statistics, the Seadoo is the number one, best selling and fastest ski, right off the show room floor. Now, there may be some better made skis that are modded but seems I remember the last set of results I saw in the PWC racing news, also had Seadoo on top.
I'm sure there are some other sanctioned events that Honda or Yamaha has dominated.
The question also reminds me of one that asks which is better, the Chevy or the Ford? It's a loaded question and will most def get a biased answer.:cheers:
If I were looking for a smaller boat then Seadoo would be my choice but for 21' and above it's hard to ignore Yamaha from what I've seen. If I were buying another boat today and sticking to bowriders (which I won't for my next boat) then the 24' Yamahas would probably get my money. However my next boat is going to be an express fishing cruiser and I'm hoping somebody (Seadoo, Yamaha, etc.) can do a pocket fishing cruiser with jet motors - it would be sick and have some interesting advantages for fishing like the very shallow draft.
Yes, I agree you're more likely to get a biased response for one or the other here or at the Yamaha site but that doesn't mean you can't get useful information from both.
I think you're right about Seadoo being #1 in jetskis but the #1 bowrider (note I said bowrider, not jetboat) in the 21'-24' class is Yamaha and has been now for the past few years according to Boating magazine. For smaller jetboats there's no real competition for Seadoo. For larger ones I think Yamaha has a better formula and the market seems to agree.
Whichever one of them will build me a 26' - 28' pocket cruiser with supercharged jet motors will get my next purchase
(Ain't gonna happen unfortunately.)
I think you're right about Seadoo being #1 in jetskis but the #1 bowrider (note I said bowrider, not jetboat) in the 21'-24' class is Yamaha and has been now for the past few years according to Boating magazine. For smaller jetboats there's no real competition for Seadoo. For larger ones I think Yamaha has a better formula and the market seems to agree.
Whichever one of them will build me a 26' - 28' pocket cruiser with supercharged jet motors will get my next purchase
(Ain't gonna happen unfortunately.)
Utopia...?
I don't know about the market on the Yamaha or Seadoo boats. The only Yamaha I've ever seen over 21" is sitting in the back yard of a repair facility down the road from my house. It's a twin engine model but I think it has a few years on it.
I do like the design of the larger Challengers and Utopia. I've never rode in one but they are really nice. I think it's the Utopia that comes with a head in it. That would be an awesome advantage.
Here, in Mobile, I believe we might have the most comfortable, largest jet boat ever built. It's the USS Independence LCS2. The thing is awesome. It has rooms for more than 40 people and 4 jet pumps for high speed propulsion. They are driven by two gas turbine engines. They have a full galley and a movie screen. It was just commisioned here in Mobile last month.:rofl:
I'm being funny. I guess you can tell I"m ex Navy. I served aboard Destroyers with twin screws. So to see this one being driven by jet water pumps is really cool.:cheers:
I don't know about the market on the Yamaha or Seadoo boats. The only Yamaha I've ever seen over 21" is sitting in the back yard of a repair facility down the road from my house. It's a twin engine model but I think it has a few years on it.
I do like the design of the larger Challengers and Utopia. I've never rode in one but they are really nice. I think it's the Utopia that comes with a head in it. That would be an awesome advantage.
Here, in Mobile, I believe we might have the most comfortable, largest jet boat ever built. It's the USS Independence LCS2. The thing is awesome. It has rooms for more than 40 people and 4 jet pumps for high speed propulsion. They are driven by two gas turbine engines. They have a full galley and a movie screen. It was just commisioned here in Mobile last month.:rofl:
I'm being funny. I guess you can tell I"m ex Navy. I served aboard Destroyers with twin screws. So to see this one being driven by jet water pumps is really cool.:cheers:
Dr Honda
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Hi Guys,
OK... for almost 20 years, I was a Die-Hard Yamaha guy. But in 2005... Yamaha stooped taking care of their customers like they use to. They left the guys with the FZ6, R6, and R1's with bad TPS and crappy running bikes. There were THOUSANDS of people who had to pay for their own replacement parts. Not only was the part expensive (over $200) but most people couldn't install it them seleves... so they had pay a dealer $300 to install it. The TPS is the Throttle position sensor, and it is one of the main sensors in the fuel injection. There were reports of bikes crapping out while entering freeways, and jumping out into traffic. (Very dangerous)
Anyway... '05 was the first year of the bad TPS, and Yamaha didn't take care of the issue until the beginning of '07. AND... that was only after a class action was threatened because it was such a wide spread issue. Oh... not to mention... guys that paid to get it fixed were having failures with the replacement, and the dealers and Yamaha wasn't fixing that either.
Can you tell that I'm a little disgruntled??
OK... that aside... the Yamaha boats always seemed a little plain to me. The last few years... and on the bigger boats... they had some style... but locally, people just wanted WAY too much for them. (over book price) And the older SeaDoo boats normally had a more realistic price. Also... after playing with the seadoo boats... I realized that they reused the parts from the PWC... so parts are SUPER easy to get.
Get a SeaDoo. You will be happy you did the first time you have to do a repair. (just stay away from the Merc powered boats)
OK... for almost 20 years, I was a Die-Hard Yamaha guy. But in 2005... Yamaha stooped taking care of their customers like they use to. They left the guys with the FZ6, R6, and R1's with bad TPS and crappy running bikes. There were THOUSANDS of people who had to pay for their own replacement parts. Not only was the part expensive (over $200) but most people couldn't install it them seleves... so they had pay a dealer $300 to install it. The TPS is the Throttle position sensor, and it is one of the main sensors in the fuel injection. There were reports of bikes crapping out while entering freeways, and jumping out into traffic. (Very dangerous)
Anyway... '05 was the first year of the bad TPS, and Yamaha didn't take care of the issue until the beginning of '07. AND... that was only after a class action was threatened because it was such a wide spread issue. Oh... not to mention... guys that paid to get it fixed were having failures with the replacement, and the dealers and Yamaha wasn't fixing that either.
Can you tell that I'm a little disgruntled??
OK... that aside... the Yamaha boats always seemed a little plain to me. The last few years... and on the bigger boats... they had some style... but locally, people just wanted WAY too much for them. (over book price) And the older SeaDoo boats normally had a more realistic price. Also... after playing with the seadoo boats... I realized that they reused the parts from the PWC... so parts are SUPER easy to get.
Get a SeaDoo. You will be happy you did the first time you have to do a repair. (just stay away from the Merc powered boats)
Sikiguya
Active Member
For me, it was a case of supply and demand. I wanted a 20' boat and consider both a Yamaha and the Seadoo. Things I like about the Yamaha, the swim deck and the layout of the boat. Things I didn't like...didn't hear good things about the quality and just didn't see any available for sale(with a reasonable price)..then again, wasn't much in Seadoo either. I really like the Seadoo Utopia. About the only things I wanted to change...have been done by the new Challenger 21. I don't like buying new cars...and sure as heck isn't dropping $30 large on a boat to have it drop in depreciation. Good luck with your search.:cheers:
tarheelracer
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Price and closed loop cooling. The Yamaha's seem to be a little better on fit and finish, but that's what you're going to pay for.
Closed loop cooling should be a Seadoo advantage but pricing isn't. MSRP on a 210 Wake is more than a 24' Yamaha equivalent let alone the 21' or 23' equivalent. I think there's more discounting available on Seadoos though.
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