My boats a 2008 230 Wake and so much for the 08 not having ceramic washers. I will say this, I have 92 hours on the boat and there was no wear on the shaft when I checked it with a micrometer and the washers showed very little wear. I have a feeling the bigger boats aren't going to have near as many problems as the small boats or the skis. Here is some info alot of you might be interested in, now I do have a strong mechanical back round but this is the first time I've worked on a 4- tech engine. It took me 1hr and 15min start to finish on the right side engine (the first one I did) and I did left engine in 50 min start to finish, and that's with whipping down the parts as I took it apart and oilling everthing as I put it together. I hate to say it but I think the majority of shops are ripping people off, it's not that hard and if your mechanicaly inclined I don't think you will have a problem, take it apart set it on the table right to left put it back to gether left to right use a tork wrench to tork it down then check your slippige and your done. The instructions with the RIVA washers are easy to follow. This is just my two cents on this matter.
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Put RIVA washers in my SC today
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Sikiguya
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Slide,
I am glad to hear that you were able to save some money on this. I just want to make a comment about dealers and shops. Believe me when I say that I don't personally want to save a buck. However, keep in mind these shops or dealers have overhead. They have rent, equipment, training, taxes, payroll, utilities, insurance, and many other cost that goes with having a shop. By paying for these 'higher' fees, you are helping defray these cost. It isn't all profit. When you have a much more severe problem, how far are you willing to drive to get it fix? I say the same thing when people complain a favorite restaurant has closed. I always ask them when the last time they patron the restaurant. The answer is always years ago. Hmmm, that is why it is closed.
I am glad to hear that you were able to save some money on this. I just want to make a comment about dealers and shops. Believe me when I say that I don't personally want to save a buck. However, keep in mind these shops or dealers have overhead. They have rent, equipment, training, taxes, payroll, utilities, insurance, and many other cost that goes with having a shop. By paying for these 'higher' fees, you are helping defray these cost. It isn't all profit. When you have a much more severe problem, how far are you willing to drive to get it fix? I say the same thing when people complain a favorite restaurant has closed. I always ask them when the last time they patron the restaurant. The answer is always years ago. Hmmm, that is why it is closed.
I own a motorcycle shop that I do custom builds and repair, I know all about overhead but I still believe in being fair. I checked my local seadoo dealer on there price just for kicks and it was going to cost $1700 , my parts cost was $210 for the washers $50 for the speacial tool kit, I have all the other tools but if I dident I could rent them at autozone for free. So as a shop owner my self if I had a boat shop I think charging $300 for the washers and let's go high on the labor so 2hrs per engine at $80 per hour(my rate) that's $620, I think in my opinion that's fair.
well done, slide00.....:cheers:, pictures would've been awesome....we dig pics.
Larger doo's are going to experience less wear on the washers because they rarely see the conditions that cause it. Find a smaller speedster with the same hours and i'm sure the wear to the washers would be rather significant compared to yours.
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Hi Slide00 I'm new to the forum and just wanted to put my two cents worth,so here goes.I worked at a Seadoo dealer for six years and still do work for them part time and have done atleast twentyfive or more of the superchargers and have never seen worn washers because they were all broken into pieces and down in the engine.Also you didn't specify whether you rebuilt the whole sc or just replaced the washers.Most shops rebuild the whole sc,the only thing not replaced is the housing and the turbine and the dealer cost for the rebuild kit is over three hundred bucks so thats where the costs go up.So to remove the sc on an engine that has been in a saltwater environment for a year or two and replace all the bearings,shaft,gear,spring washers,slip washers and seals in two hours is cutting it pretty close.Just my two cents.
Hi Slide00 I'm new to the forum and just wanted to put my two cents worth,so here goes.I worked at a Seadoo dealer for six years and still do work for them part time and have done atleast twentyfive or more of the superchargers and have never seen worn washers because they were all broken into pieces and down in the engine.Also you didn't specify whether you rebuilt the whole sc or just replaced the washers.Most shops rebuild the whole sc,the only thing not replaced is the housing and the turbine and the dealer cost for the rebuild kit is over three hundred bucks so thats where the costs go up.So to remove the sc on an engine that has been in a saltwater environment for a year or two and replace all the bearings,shaft,gear,spring washers,slip washers and seals in two hours is cutting it pretty close.Just my two cents.
Dr Honda
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Welcome... and your 2 cents are right. With a ceramic composit... there will be no wear... just destruction. That's why SeaDoo's engineers need to be slapped. The washers need to be...
1) removed
2) made from tool steel. (they will wear, but not explode)
I understand why they install them... but I don't think they are necessary since the rev limiter should be taking care of any over run when jumping waves.
That was washers only, when I asked the dealer for a price I told them I only wanted the washers replaced and I wanted them to be RIVA washers. Just woundering what are the prices some of you people have be paying to get this done? Also I'm in fresh water but even in salt water does it make a difference, the supercharger dosent have contact with the water?
hitman782
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Your right, the supercharger doesnt have contact with the water, but that being said, you will pick up the in the spray and in the air. I lived in michigan for most of my life, and in the 8 years i have been here, some of my tools are starting to rust up, these are ones that have not been at the beach, or left out in the rain, just ones sitting on top of my work bench or by my tool box.
That being said, i am new to the Doo's myself. I only have about 12 hours on each of mine, but hoping to take that up much further this summer
Dr Honda
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Why??? I know it sux, and that they have a short life... but they live to the time that seadoo says they will. (100hr)
I think that there should be a big sticker on the front of all the SC seadoo's saying "every 100 hrs you will spend $1000 to keep this ski running." (oil changes, and SC rebuild)
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I picked up my S200 last summer. I was well aware of the washer issue going into it and understood the extra $$ for the required maintenance. IMO it's well worth it.
I do agree that Sea Doo should have addressed this issue in some sort of recall or at the very least extended the warranty on the supercharger ONLY and any repair specific to the SC washer failure before the 100 hour rebuild is required . This would have been fair for all involved. I've read too many stories with guys and gals that had ski's and boats with 30-40-50 hours out of luck due to a bad design.
I picked up my S200 last summer. I was well aware of the washer issue going into it and understood the extra $$ for the required maintenance. IMO it's well worth it.
I do agree that Sea Doo should have addressed this issue in some sort of recall or at the very least extended the warranty on the supercharger ONLY and any repair specific to the SC washer failure before the 100 hour rebuild is required . This would have been fair for all involved. I've read too many stories with guys and gals that had ski's and boats with 30-40-50 hours out of luck due to a bad design.
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I live on Cape Cod and the salt water most deffinitly comes into contact with the sc especially if you ride it hard.I've seen ski's with 50 hrs or less with the sc's all white and chalky with the paint peeling off.If I'm not mistaken I think the washers that come in the newer kits have a teflon coating on them and I have'nt done as many of the newer ski's recently say 08 and up.Our shop charges about 1200 to 1400 bucks to do the whole kit and we always change the oil.
I live on Cape Cod and the salt water most deffinitly comes into contact with the sc especially if you ride it hard.I've seen ski's with 50 hrs or less with the sc's all white and chalky with the paint peeling off.If I'm not mistaken I think the washers that come in the newer kits have a teflon coating on them and I have'nt done as many of the newer ski's recently say 08 and up.Our shop charges about 1200 to 1400 bucks to do the whole kit and we always change the oil.
Slide-what parts did you replace
Manual says replace
needle bearings
both ball bearings
washers
springs
and you'll need loctite and specific lubricant
Im getting ready to do this myself as well
where did you get your parts?
Any input would be helpful
I'll shoot some pics and post as well when done
05-200SC speedster 200 375 HP
Manual says replace
needle bearings
both ball bearings
washers
springs
and you'll need loctite and specific lubricant
Im getting ready to do this myself as well
where did you get your parts?
Any input would be helpful
I'll shoot some pics and post as well when done
05-200SC speedster 200 375 HP
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