My Boat Got Wet on the inside - Now have error 1502... HELPPPPPPP...(Again)

[charlieenz]

Hi Guys,

After finally sorting my cavitation issues, I did the dumb-arse thing of parking up at home without removing the bungs and after a couple of nights torrential rain (followed by a weekend out of town) I finally found my 2007 C180 Challenger floating on the inside!!!!.
The auto bilge had not kicked in even though i had also left the isolating switch on in my haste.
After draining the boat for about 30 minutes I checked my oil etc and all appeared sweet so hopefully no penetration into the mechanicals but i don't appear to have got away with the electrics so well.
Unbelievably the live connections on the solenoid input had corroded like green mushrooms almost to the point of dissolving.
Even the large battery-feed lug fell off - All this from maybe 4 or five days under fresh water with the 12v still live.
Anyway cleaned it all up with new lugs etc and fired up the boat sweet as - tried it again for luck and error code 1502 popped up immediately. I looked it up and it says TOPS malfunction - Problem is I have no idea what the tops is - where the tops is and what could being immersed in water could have done to it.... HELPPPPP..
Cheers

Charlie in New Zealland

 

[Seadoobuddy]

is this a merc motor?

 

[charlieenz]

NO - Seadoo 4 tec 215 SCIC

Cheers

 

[cheappc]

Here's something you can read, supposedly, tip over sensor: Google 1502 seadoo
http://www.**************/forums/showthread.php?t=148147&page=2

 

[charlieenz]

Hi,
Can you supply the full url please as I can't find the thread.

Cheers . P.s. Do you know where the tops valve is located on a 2007 215scic please and thanks ???

 

[cheappc]

the computer won't let me, but instead of all those ** type "greenhulk" hopefully I don't get in trouble for this

 

[cheappc]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=1502+seadoo+error+code

 

[charlieenz]

I found what I think is the TOPS valve just above the supercharger and removed and inspected and its purely mechanical and appears to do what it supposed to - Allow airflow right way up but nothing inverted (boat upside down). Is there an electrical switch somewhere I may have knocked which is part of the tops system. I read somewhere about a switch which needs to be upright???
Can't see it being the mechanical valve as it has no electrical connections at all.

 

[charlieenz]

Found a manual online but picks not clear and there is a switch and a fuse somewhere - i just gotta find em and check em!!!

 

[charlieenz]

I cannot find the tops switch anywhere so any ideas much appreciated please and thanks???

Cheers

Charlie

 

[JPass]

Did you look at the link cheappc provided? Here's a screen shot from the link.





I also read about corroded terminals being an issue as well as it being caused by a bad ECU. No idea how bad your situation is, but I'd look into these as well. Do you know anyone with the Can Doo software? Maybe if you post some pics of the corrosion you found after this incident, we can see how badly corroded things got.

You may have to bite the bullet and bring her in to the shop. No sense throwing money at things that may not be broken.

 

[charlieenz]

Cheers,
I think that may be the pre-2006 model with an electrically actuated TOPS valve? Mine is a 2007 with a purely mechanical valve but a tip over switch somewhere else on the boat. I found the valve but not the tip over switch.
Thanks

Charlie

 

[wfo speedracer]

Usually mounted on the front side of the MPEM bracket, it may or may not be the switch, corrosion on the AMP connectors on the MPEM can also cause this code, I would pull the amp connectors and check them as well.

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

Consult the electrical schematic diagram if you can find one for the older boat or most likely ski, there aren't many boat specific service manuals.

You
re probably correct (hopefully) there's a switch somewhere. So if you can locate the switch on the electrics schematic and disconnect it from the MPEM (or jumper the pins as need be) then promise not to ride your boat upside down of course?

Or, follow the cable/wires to the switch. Maybe under the helm, really hard to say....

FWIW, I've seen a trailer bent in half before, from a boat sinking on land, filled with water while on the trailer.

 

[charlieenz]

I must be going blind as for the life of me i cant find the switch anywhere and I reckon I've pulled every connector on the boat - Supposedly there's a fuse and all, but not on the blocks i have checked.
Hopefully someone out there knows where the Switch is and can send me a pic - (Once I've fixed that guess I need to fix the bilge so it starts itself.)

 

[pete63]

I must be going blind as for the life of me i cant find the switch anywhere and I reckon I've pulled every connector on the boat - Supposedly there's a fuse and all, but not on the blocks i have checked.
Hopefully someone out there knows where the Switch is and can send me a pic - (Once I've fixed that guess I need to fix the bilge so it starts itself.)

the tops valve can be reset, consult the manual. pre 06 when you insert the lanyard you can hear the tops valve opening (like a unwinding then click). i'm not sure what year they went mechanical but it might around the >06. they are a pain to try and fix because of various wires to and from the tops solenoid.
there is heaps of threads on this forum on tops valves etc. keep on searching.
its another reason why some seadoo owners have brought the candoo system, reset and trouble shoot faults without the dealer.......
08 manual

 

[JPass]

Could you post a pic of your TOPS valve assembly? The one in my manual matches what Pete63 posted. The switch is part of the assembly. Not sure if anything changed with the TOPS system between 2007 and 2012. I'm going off the info in my 2012 manual. There is a way to test the switch with a multi meter. Here's what my manual states:

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

I must be going blind as for the life of me i cant find the switch anywhere and I reckon I've pulled every connector on the boat - Supposedly there's a fuse and all, but not on the blocks i have checked.
Hopefully someone out there knows where the Switch is and can send me a pic - (Once I've fixed that guess I need to fix the bilge so it starts itself.)

Post up the electrical schematic diagram, sure it's not shown there? Stuff is difficult to locate digging through a spaghetti maze of cables, that's the difficult approach. Unless the service manual calls out the connector pins, which should also show up on the schematic.

There hasn't been much available specific to boats in most cases so I use the jet ski documentation.

 

[charlieenz]

I printed the electrical schematic last night and it appears to end up at AMP connector B on the ECU but no talk of where the switch is housed. I do have a fancy cable tracker from my old days working in the technical field so may be able to pin out that end and go hunting for the other. It works by injecting a low frequency radio signal which I then trace with a special pencil like receiver. Hopefully by then someone will have popped up with the location from experience.
Not many boats over here in New Zealand so can't really ask around here. Might end up emailing BRP Canada.

 

[charlieenz]

I believe i may have it finally sussed!!! I cannot find the TOPS switch because there is no TOPS switch !!! I did a parts search for the TOPS switch on all seadoo challenger 180's from 2007 through 2011 and there are none on the list - none at all for any of the boats - They are there for the Ski's but not for the boats. They were added back in, in 2012 but for my year no TOPS switch on the boats, just a mechanical cut off valve.
I suspect my boat has been updated with Ski software as there are only about half a dozen seadoo boats in New Zealand and thousands of Ski's. When I flooded the compartment with rain water I would say the harness detected a change of state and triggered the alarm but is also expecting to see the normal state return and with no actual switch it isn't going to happen.
I'll jump on the premium help forum to see what they say but am pretty confident of the cause - Just need a solution and the nearest dealer is 5 hours drive.... damn.

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

I printed the electrical schematic last night and it appears to end up at AMP connector B on the ECU but no talk of where the switch is housed. I do have a fancy cable tracker from my old days working in the technical field so may be able to pin out that end and go hunting for the other. It works by injecting a low frequency radio signal which I then trace with a special pencil like receiver. Hopefully by then someone will have popped up with the location from experience.
Not many boats over here in New Zealand so can't really ask around here. Might end up emailing BRP Canada.

Sounds like a plan to me, interested in what you discover.

 

[charlieenz]

PROBLEM FOUND!!!!. I traced out the Tops wiring from the ECU AMPS connector B9 over to the fuse mount block just above the solenoid. Moving the connector about produced an intermittent open circuit on pin 23 of the connector which was being picked up by the ecu and hence the code.
I soldered a temporary connection and the fault code disappeared. Now to find a proper female pin to replace it with - They are longer than your standard connector.
Also I contacted BRP and there is no TOPS switch in the boats 2007 through 2011, there is a dummy cct mounted in the fuse box and sealed in gunk.
Any way - thanks guys for you help- As a word of interest - I placed a question on the premier fault finding forum and not a single reply???
Not so sure its worth the $10 a month after all???

Cheers

Charlie

 

[Seadoobuddy]

PROBLEM FOUND!!!!. I traced out the Tops wiring from the ECU AMPS connector B9 over to the fuse mount block just above the solenoid. Moving the connector about produced an intermittent open circuit on pin 23 of the connector which was being picked up by the ecu and hence the code.
I soldered a temporary connection and the fault code disappeared. Now to find a proper female pin to replace it with - They are longer than your standard connector.
Also I contacted BRP and there is no TOPS switch in the boats 2007 through 2011, there is a dummy cct mounted in the fuse box and sealed in gunk.
Any way - thanks guys for you help- As a word of interest - I placed a question on the premier fault finding forum and not a single reply???
Not so sure its worth the $10 a month after all???
Cheers
Charlie

Charlie, glad you found the solution, it's similar to mine problem ona 96 GTX that lost power suddenly many times. Also found a loose connection in the Ebox.
I think the membership for a year is awesome. I rarely use the "premium question threads" though, as not everyone can read it.
Just place it in the regular ski/boat/4 stroke section and many people will see it.
The membership fee helps to keep this forum going plus you can download any manual you want for FREE.
I've been here for almost 5 years and read the posts even if I don't have any issues with my skis.
Have you joined your areas group here?
You might meet more PWC riders that live near you.
Hope you stick around, you'll enjoy it.

 

[Coastiejoe]

The lack of replies from the Premium Forium was due to the posts you were getting from this post. The Premium is the second place to go. If we see you are getting advice that is correct and or good here, we often leave the premium post untouched. This is so that all the info is in once place and it may help others that can not see the Premium Forum..

PROBLEM FOUND!!!!. I traced out the Tops wiring from the ECU AMPS connector B9 over to the fuse mount block just above the solenoid. Moving the connector about produced an intermittent open circuit on pin 23 of the connector which was being picked up by the ecu and hence the code.
I soldered a temporary connection and the fault code disappeared. Now to find a proper female pin to replace it with - They are longer than your standard connector.
Also I contacted BRP and there is no TOPS switch in the boats 2007 through 2011, there is a dummy cct mounted in the fuse box and sealed in gunk.
Any way - thanks guys for you help- As a word of interest - I placed a question on the premier fault finding forum and not a single reply???
Not so sure its worth the $10 a month after all???

Cheers

Charlie