Injection Oil Trial

[etemplet]

I'm going practical. Lucas Synthetic Blend TCW-3 which is a rating all marine oils must have and is also certified for API-TC and JASO FB Certifications at $25.99 per gallon and I poured it right into the Mystic4 full synthetic in my oil tank and I"m not changing filters draining anything. DONE

I'm comfortable that all the incompability issues are of the past and I also know that no matter how much you drain and flush you'll never get all the orignial oil out of the tank anyway. This isn't a dice roll. I've been around lube oil additives for a long time, 28 years at an additives plant, and I picked up on a few things. Number one... no manufacturer is gonna be the odd ball and make a product that is incompatible than the rest. Weird stuff happened in the past, whatever the reason there were issues a long time ago. I also did a fair amount of research on the technical end recently which includes calling LUCAS oil and discussing synthetic, synthetic blends, API-TC and TWC-3 oils. I won't bore everyone with details and I'm not arguing any point. I know that some synthetic blends are superior oil to full synthetic and there are reasons oils are called blends and not full synthetic which could be that the oil package contains a superior product that is not synthetic so they can't call the product full synthetic. LOL So... above is a very brief description about why I'm doing this in my ski. I know a lot more than I wrote but skis can't read. and I'm not living in the past.

Toucdowns everyone !!!

 

[MoDawg73]

Let us know how it goes!

 

[JeremyD615]

You can try it, but I’d be cautious... Not so much because of concerns about mixture compatibility, but because it’s an ashless oil. I personally don’t think it’s worth the risk when you can order Mystik for $28.18/gal directly from them...

 

[Whus02]

The sea and snow API TC from Mystik is even less expensive at $20.88/gal. But it will be nice to know how the Lucas oil works out

 

[etemplet]

Don't quote me on this but I did some research and my conclusion was the Sea and Snow just isn't apporved for Marine fluids, hence that biodegradable aspect. I saw the same thing on the Lucas site. I wonder what other additives the marine certified oil has. Perhaps some moisture fighters.

 

[JeremyD615]

I’m not sure exactly what marine certification the other manufacturer is talking about. Sea and Snow is is an API-TC oil, and was designed for PWC’s. It has all of the petroleum industry ratings to make it correct, but is a synthetic blend rather than full synthetic. It would be just fine for the non-rave skis...

 

[JeremyD615]

It just clicked what the marine rating is! No, the Mystik does not have the marine rating, and neither does any other oil that is correct for Sea Doo... The “marine rating” is done by NMMA, which issues the TC-W3 rating among others. The correct oil for our application carries a rating by the American Petroleum Institute, and they do not label any oil as marine certified. Don’t stress the biodegradability thing, it’s not that API-TC oils are any more or less than the others, it’s just not part of the laboratory testing required for the rating.

 

[etemplet]

Marine oil needs to be certified "marine" and TCW-3 is a requirementfrom what I understand, there may be others... I don't know. I guess it has to degrade in water or something like that. I spoke to the Lucas Rep about it. I'm not arguing any point he just told me that any Marine Oil would be TCW-3, he may have been speaking about Lucas brand oil. Who knows. I've noticed on the Quick Silver products I don't see the API-TC designation yet I see TCW-3 and PWC. It gets confusing for the consumer.

The point of my mixing the oil is to prove you don't have to flush and change filters if you run out of one oil and switch.

 

[JeremyD615]

For an oil to be “marine certified” it does need to be rated by the NMMA, but that’s only because API and JASO don’t issue “marine” certifications. It doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be used on the water. Both of those organizations are within the petroleum industry, while NMMA is a boat manufacturing association, so it makes sense that one calls their rating “marine certified” while the other two do not. Either way, TC-W3 is not the correct oil for a Rotax engine, as the testing requirements are less stringent, and they are almost exclusively ashless oils.

As far as mixing goes, the gelling problem is dependent on the individual additive packages each oil uses, so your test will tell us whether that particular Quicksilver oil and that particular Lucas oil are compatible, but won’t necessarily tell you anything about whether Pennzoil and XPS are compatible...

 

[etemplet]

I already dumped Mystik on top of XPS. That was last year.

As stated, I'm not going to argue about anything. The truth is like a Lion, you release it and it can defend itself. Touchdowns everyone.

 

[JeremyD615]

Not meaning to argue at all! Just trying to explain the difference in ratings and additive packages... I’ve done some testing for gelling myself, so it’s always good to know what will mix and what won’t.

 

[etemplet]

It would probably be a good idea to mix several of the oils in proportion and label them. heat them up and cool them down maybe in the freezer. let them sit and see what happens. That would be much more safe than my way but I don't believe it matters any more so I'm cool doing it in my ski. LOL

Do you have any data?

 

[GGuillot]

Oil debates...it seems more straight forward to me, with a RAVE ski, 787's and 951's, use the seadoo full synthetic XPS stuff. A non RAVE ski, blended stuff for a little cheaper. Currently I seem to be using about 3 gallons per season on my 2 skis, which is about $150 shipped to my door. I spend more on pool chemicals... Good stuff, the best in my opinion for the Seadoo 787, so I stick with it. Is there cheaper stuff out there? sure...there always is..

 

[JeremyD615]

It would probably be a good idea to mix several of the oils in proportion and label them. heat them up and cool them down maybe in the freezer. let them sit and see what happens. That would be much more safe than my way but I don't believe it matters any more so I'm cool doing it in my ski. LOL

Do you have any data?

As far as data goes, I know that the oils below are compatible when mixing. It’s not a big list, but it’s what I’ve actually tested myself and can vouch for. Pennzoil Premium with used to say “meets API-TC” on the label, but since it has been removed, I stopped using it, so mixed several others with it to verify they wouldn’t gel.

1. Pennzoil Premium with XPS Carb 2T
2. Pennzoil Premium with Mystik JT-4
3. Mystik JT-4 with XPS Carb 2T
4. Mystik JT-4 with. XPS e-tec
5. XPS Carb with XPS e-tec

 

[etemplet]

Sheez man... you got a roll going on !! LOL I'm with you that some of the brands no longer say API-TC.