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Forgot plug and now motor wont turn over!!!!

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Damnit!

I forgot to put the plug in. Got about 10 feet out, and the engine was stalling. Kept starting and then stalling. I then remembered that i forgot to put the plug in and turned back. By the time I got the ski out of the water, there water was about battery high.

Now, i'm trying to start the motor and it won't turn over. Just clicks. First, I took the spark plugs out and tried to start it (to get the water out - thats what I thought I was supposed to do). No water came out so I don't think theres any in the motor. Then put spark plugs back in and tried again. No luck. Then put a trickle charge on the battery. Waited 10 minutes, no luck. Then put the charger on "start" mode (12 amps). Again, no luck.

Any ideas? At this point I just want to get it running again so I can sell it. I'll buy a newer one when I have the money.
 
Was the water at the bottom or top of the battery?

You might be in trouble here. Try taking out the spark plugs and jumping across the solenoid, if you can get the motor to turn over get all of the water out of the engine that you can. Pour some marvel mystery oil in each cylinder (about 2oz. in each) and put the spark plugs back in. If the motor will not turn over turn it over by hand after the spark plugs are removed.

You might have fried the mpem when you tried to start the ski from the start mode of the battery charger. If the mpem is O.K. you should be able to start the ski once it had dried out and the water is out of the engine. Good luck.

Let us know what happens, there are other things you could try.

Lou
 
SeaDooLou said:
Was the water at the bottom or top of the battery?

You might be in trouble here. Try taking out the spark plugs and jumping across the solenoid, if you can get the motor to turn over get all of the water out of the engine that you can. Pour some marvel mystery oil in each cylinder (about 2oz. in each) and put the spark plugs back in. If the motor will not turn over turn it over by hand after the spark plugs are removed.

You might have fried the mpem when you tried to start the ski from the start mode of the battery charger. If the mpem is O.K. you should be able to start the ski once it had dried out and the water is out of the engine. Good luck.

Let us know what happens, there are other things you could try.

Lou
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Hi Lou.

Thanks for the advice. The engine wasn't starting even prior to trying to jump the battery, so I don't think jumping it is the issue (although perhaps it created another problem?).

I took the spark plugs out and looked down in there and I didn't see any water. I'm assuming that's a good sign? I tried to start the jet ski with the spark plugs out and nothing happened. No water came out either, so I don't think there is water in the engine? Or is this wrong thinking?

A couple questions (And please keep in mind that I am new to engines and need some help with the terminology)

1) How do I "jump across the solenoid"? Not sure what that is?

2) Does the marvel mystery oil go in the holes where the spark plugs were taken out of? Is that the cylinders you refer to?

3) How do I manually turn the motor over by hand?

Thanks for the help. I'm really nervous.

Oh, and the water was about 3/4 up the battery. Some definitely did get on top from the splashing around of the water though.
 
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I can help you with 2 and 3. Yes its the holes that you took out the spark plugs and you can turn the motor manually by the driveshaft at the bottom of the hull. There is a fly wheel right behind your engine. You may have to remove a plastic cover which is held on by 2 wing nuts. Remove that and just turn the wheel down in there.
 
I jumped my starter today. Connect a jumper cable to the positive connection on your starter then tap it on the positive on the battery. If your battery is charged and your starter is working then it will crank!
 
soccerdan90 said:
I can help you with 2 and 3. Yes its the holes that you took out the spark plugs and you can turn the motor manually by the driveshaft at the bottom of the hull. There is a fly wheel right behind your engine. You may have to remove a plastic cover which is held on by 2 wing nuts. Remove that and just turn the wheel down in there.
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Thanks Soccer Dan.
 
Update: removed spark plugs and am turning the motor by hand. No water coming out at all. Just air. So I don't think there's any water in there.

Next step?
 
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I wasn't able to check my Email until this morning.

I sounds like you didn't get any water into the motor, that's a good thing. Just to be safe spray a little fogging oil, or 2 stroke oil, into the cylinders and replace the spark plugs.

The thing that worries me is I'm afraid that you fried your mpem, in the front electrical box, there are a couple of fuses, check the fuses, if they are O.K. proceed to the next step, if they are blown replace them and proceed to the next step. If they blow again get back to us.

There's an electrical box toward the front of the ski, on the port side, open the cover (the same box you opened to check the fuses). The solenoid is in there, jump the main terminals with an old screwdriver, the starter should turn over. If the starter turns over replace the solenoid, if the starter does not turn over replace the starter.

I was hoping that when the ski dried out it would start, however is you got water in the starter, it may need to be rebuild or replaced.

Lou
 
SeaDooLou said:
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I wasn't able to check my Email until this morning.

I sounds like you didn't get any water into the motor, that's a good thing. Just to be safe spray a little fogging oil, or 2 stroke oil, into the cylinders and replace the spark plugs.

The thing that worries me is I'm afraid that you fried your mpem, in the front electrical box, there are a couple of fuses, check the fuses, if they are O.K. proceed to the next step, if they are blown replace them and proceed to the next step. If they blow again get back to us.

There's an electrical box toward the front of the ski, on the port side, open the cover (the same box you opened to check the fuses). The solenoid is in there, jump the main terminals with an old screwdriver, the starter should turn over. If the starter turns over replace the solenoid, if the starter does not turn over replace the starter.

I was hoping that when the ski dried out it would start, however is you got water in the starter, it may need to be rebuild or replaced.

Lou
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Hi Lou. Thanks again for the response. Just a couple things:

1) not sure what you mean by jump the main terminals with a screw driver. Could you explain? (sorry, I'm not great with this stuff).

2) any way for me to tell if the mpem is fried without buying a new one and trying it?
 
All the solenoid is, is a relay, with a switch, just jump the two main terminals, I'll attach a picture.

As far as the mpem goes, if the fuses keep blowing the mpem is bad, the good news is there is a fix, but lets see if its bad first.
 

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All the solenoid is, is a relay, with a switch, just jump the two main terminals, I'll attach a picture.

As far as the mpem goes, if the fuses keep blowing the mpem is bad, the good news is there is a fix, but lets see if its bad first.
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Ok, so just attach the jumper cables to that and give it a jump?
 
No, use something to jump across the 2 posts. Think of that solenoid is a switch. Power comes into one side of it. When you depress the start button the switch connects power to the other posts allowing electricity to flow to the starter. If you use something to manually connect the posts, you are jumping them. A screwdriver works good.
 
RFoster130 said:
No, use something to jump across the 2 posts. Think of that solenoid is a switch. Power comes into one side of it. When you depress the start button the switch connects power to the other posts allowing electricity to flow to the starter. If you use something to manually connect the posts, you are jumping them. A screwdriver works good.
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Oh! Gotchya. Thanks. Any electricity safety precaution I should take? Or is it ok to just lay it right across?
 
Well....dont put your tongue on it...lol Its actually no big deal. Just hold onto the screwdriver good and wear gloves. it should crank as soon as you touch both posts. It may spark a little.
 
Turning the engine by hand won't push the water out... unless it's totally full. It needs to be spinning.

When you took the sparkplugs out, did they have any moisture on them?
 
Dr Honda said:
Turning the engine by hand won't push the water out... unless it's totally full. It needs to be spinning.

When you took the sparkplugs out, did they have any moisture on them?
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I don't recall noticing any moisture. Maybe though? The flywheel is easy to turn, not sure if that tells you anything.

Any ideas other than what others have said about the fuses and mpem? When I try to start it, it just makes a clicking noise. Sorta like what it sounded like when the battery died. But water woulnt cause a battery to die, right?
 
SeaDooLou said:
Yes, its probably the starter. Were the fuses o.k. in the mpem? Do you think the water got high enough to reach the starter?

Lou
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Where is the starter located? Would a bad starter cause there to be no power going from battery to selenoid?

I looked at the fuses, but there were plastic pieces over them so I had no idea whether they were blown or not.

Also, if it's the starter how much should it cost? In parts? And in labor.
 
Any chance it's the battery? I guess i'm just hoping I don't have to replace the starter because that sounds like it will be expensive and I don't have much money.
 
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