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96' spx Slow cranking, no-start

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SheaMolt

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Just picked up a free 1996 spx that had been sitting.
Owner thought it had a bad coil, but thats working fine. (have spark)
After new battery, plugs, plug wires, and checking all grounds we got it to turn over.

With the plugs out, it cranks great and fast. With the plugs in, it barely turns over for 1 or 2 revolutions. Do I need a new starter?

Also, what else should be done to the carbs? Im sure they are all gunked up from sitting with gas in the tank.

Shea
 
Also, what should the compression be?

EDIT : I checked my compression with one spark plug out, and it was only 90 psi. With the tester and a spark plug in it only made it to around 50. Does this mean i need a new starter?

thanks, shea.
 
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Compression should be close to 150 psi if it were new. At 130 psi ski should still run ok but any lower than that you will not have the performance you should. The compression should be close on both cylinders, this is a important part of the compression reading. The differance in compression between the 2 cylinder should not be more than 10 percent. example 140 and 126 is not a very good reading and something has happened to the cylinder with the low reading. 140 and 135 is ok. even 135 and 130 should work. Starter problem. it does seem that you may have a weak starter motor. Carbs may have to be cleaned out and the internal filters in the carbs cleaned. If ski still has the original grey fuel lines they need to be replaced as they are defective and clog up the fillters in the carbs. :cheers:
 
The fuel lines are grey. I was planning on getting a carb rebuild kit, new starter, and probably take the head off to see if there is any rust because he did leave the spark plugs out. so also a new head gasket.
 
welcome to the seadoo forum Shea. Robin hit on some good points. I'll add a little information on doing a compression check correctly. I also would check the wire connections from the battery - Ground to the engine near the starter to be sure it is getting a good connection. A bad connection will cause a slow turning starter sometimes as it has a bad connection. Sometimes the starters can be pulled apart and cleaned as well if it is in bad shape. The biggest problem here is if the compression is really low. If it is you need to determine if you want to go to the expense to rebuild the top end before going for a rebuilt starter or even think of tackling cleaning or rebuilding the carburetors. Look at the whole picture, and what you want to spend before you get too deep. It will get expensive real quick. especially if you have to pay to have the repairs done. The seadoo might be free, but are you prepared to spend money on the engine rebuild, starter, Carb rebuild, and maybe the jet pump needs a wear ring or other parts.
Here is the info on the compression check;
You'll need a compression tester. Go to Auto Zone. I think they sell for like $25.00. The compression gage, will screw in the cylinder head in place of the spark plugs. To test compression, remove both spark plugs. Place spark plug caps on the plug cap studs near the cylinder head to ground the empty caps. This completes the circuit of the ignition electrical system and prevents any electrical problems from the caps being un grounded. Using the correct adapter for the threaded end of the tester,( same length of the spark plug threads length)Screw in the tester in one plug hole. Hold the throttle wide open. Push the start button. Watch the compression guage, when it peaks out at the most compression, let go the start button. Read the psi number. I would do it 3 times to be sure it is accurate. Check both cylinders the same way. The ideal compression is 150 psi per cylinder. If it is less, it's not a problem as long as they are close to being the same. If the psi is less than 90 it might need be time for a tear down and a rebuild. If the psi in 1 cylinder is say 140 psi and the other is 80 psi you need to tear down and repair. This difference is a lot and there is a problem. I hope this helps you.

If you decide to do the repairs do you have a seadoo repair shop manual? here's another idea.
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Good luck with it and keep us posted.

Karl
 
My dad and i were planning, like i said to get a carb rebuild kit, and a new starter. Then my brother that is amazing with engines was going to take the head off and clean it in there. I was hoping that would get our seadoo going. I did not know you could rebuild a starter, so we may build that. Thanks again for all the help- i will keep you posted.
 
I just had the identical problem. Slow turning over and the compression was low. Had the starter rebuilt (The brushes were practically gone). Just finished re-installing the starter (make sure you clean the cables really well, I sanded all the connectors) and it turned over like it use too. As soon as it got some fuel in it started right up.


Good Luck
 
I just got my '96 SPX started after it sat for 5 years. Mine also had trouble turning the engine over with the plugs in (turned over fine with the plugs removed). It turned out to be a bad electrical connection. Gotta be real careful and make sure you've got clean, metal-to-metal connections at both of your battery terminals, the ground connection by the starter, and the positive connection right on the starter itself. You might even want to verify good, clean connections at the selenoid, too.

I removed the gas tank (and removed all the old gas) and disassembled, cleaned both carburetors. Probably be a good idea to rebuild both carbs with two carburetor rebuild kits. FWIW, I reused all the carburetor parts and everything works fine.

BTW, I have a good, used starter for a '96 SPX on-hand. If you need one, let me know. Good luck!
 
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