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89 Model 5802 turns over, won't start

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uthar1

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Hello all. I am helping a friend get her 1989 model 5802 running again and need some advice. This is my first time working on a watercraft but I have a ton of "garage" experience on cars and motorcycles. When she brought it to me the battery was flat and it wouldn't crank. Knowing she is not one for regular maintenance, I have replaced the plugs (old ones were fouled and incorrectly gapped at .03), replaced the oil filter, cleaned the fuel filter and housing (it was barely dirty) with compressed air, checked the connections on all hoses, opened the (insert proper name for watertight box with wires and solenoid in it here) and checked the connection on all wires, removed and charged the battery (1 year old per friend), removed a good deal of muck from the bilge, cleaned the spark arrestor with compressed air, installed a "flush kit" and then put it back together.

Now it cranks fine, the starter turns the magneto/flywheel, but the engine never starts. Before you ask, dear God no I did not turn the hose on before I tried to start the engine. Using the fuel or fire rule, I shot some starting fluid into the carb and tried again - nothing. I know the starter fuel got to the plugs as I removed them and they smell like starting fluid. I have cranked it with the fuel selector at on and reserve, throttle idle and wide open, safety cord thing on and off (I pressed down as far as my thumb would go). I removed the safety switch from the body and tried pressing it manually - it clicks just fine but I can't visually verify the connectivity since it is behind one solid piece of rubber.

Thinking that since the fluid made it to the plugs it must be fire, I removed the flywheel/magneto cover to look for loose connections - all were tight. I was in the process of trying to check spark from the plug wire to bare metal when the battery went flat. It is now charging again.

I gather from reading most of the posts here that a dirty carb is the culprit 90% of the time with these engines, and the shop guy from whom I bought the parts has already mentiond a carb rebuild kit if necessary. I have a shop manual too but the troubleshooting tables are limited. At this point I still need to verify the spark (which is the best piece of bare metal to use?) and am preparing myself to rebuild the carb,

So...why won't it start? Any tips would be appreciated. Sorry for the length of the post - I wanted to provide as many details as possible. Also, I would like to know what the proper compression is for a 587.

Oh yeah, she "filled the gas tank last year" so I know I need to drain it and replace with fresh gas as well.
 
Spark can be conducted against the top of the head - the largest ground source. Only a couple of cranks so you don't kill the ignition system.

Sounds like you've done a lot of great work on the boat. Come on and let's get this classic Seadoo running again!
 
Update - I charged the battery and then tried to fire it off looking for a spark. Not only did the engine turn over only once with no spark, now there is a clicking noise coming from either the rectifier or solenoid (I'm guessing solenoid). I see three possibilities - 1) I fried the solenoid screwing around with this thing, 2) the solenoid has been bad to start with, thus no spark or 3) the battery now has a dead cell and not enough amps to turn it over. Anybody who has been there/done that have any thoughts?
 
Update - I took the battery to a local parts store and they tested it, naturally it failed. So I'll be replacing that and perhaps looking into a trickle charger with automatic on/off function (I read the World's Longest Post on this topic just now and didn't really get any definitive answer one way or another).

The parts guy told me that these small batteries can have enough juice to turn the engine over but not fire the sparks. Does this sound like bunk to you guys? I'm sitting on the fence. ?:bs:?
 
Use your vehicle, without it running, and try to start the ski, if clicks still, then follow red cables from battery to inside the box. Where that attaches to, thats your solenoid, jump it with heavy gauge wire/pliers..etc, and see what happens. If motor turns, need a new solenoid, as well.
 
I jumped the solenoid with a screwdriver last night with the marginal battery and got exactly nothing. I'll try again once I replace the battery.
 
I have the new battery reinstalled and everything is reassembled. I am fairly certain all I need now is fresh gas. How do I know this? Let's call it "how not to check spark".

After buttoning up and making sure the engine turned over (and trying to start it and failing), I pulled a plug, reattached it to the wire and laid it on the head. What a nice spark! Wanting to be thorough I pulled the other one and laid it on the head. I turned it over...and 2 feet of flame shot out of the plug hole. Yeah um, apparently gas will ignite if the plug is too close to the plug hole when you check spark...and accidentally leave the fuel on. :stupid:

It wouldn't have been so bad if my wife hadn't come out to watch 30 seconds before this happened. I was laughing but boy was she angry!

So tomorrow I'm going to get a new one of those squeezy bulb kerosene pumps, empty the tank and fill er up. I'll post the results.
 
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I have the new battery reinstalled and everything is reassembled. I am fairly certain all I need now is fresh gas. How do I know this? Let's call it "how not to check spark".

After buttoning up and making sure the engine turned over (and trying to start it and failing), I pulled a plug, reattached it to the wire and laid it on the head. What a nice spark! Wanting to be thorough I pulled the other one and laid it on the head. I turned it over...and 2 feet of flame shot out of the plug hole. Yeah um, apparently gas will ignite if the plug is too close to the plug hole when you check spark...and accidentally leave the fuel on. :stupid:

It wouldn't have been so bad if my wife hadn't come out to watch 30 seconds before this happened. I was laughing but boy was she angry!

So tomorrow I'm going to get a new one of those squeezy bulb kerosene pumps, empty the tank and fill er up. I'll post the results.
If the gas smells like gas I would just run it out and see how it does. The way you described the way that it ignited when testing plugs sounds as if it the gas was fresh enough. :cheers:
 
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