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2010 Sea Doo Challenger 2nd review

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WOOSAB

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So i got the new boat last week as the Sea Doo rep promised. they did upgrade me as they said but the wake tower was in the box and not added. The dealer said he would add it sometime this week for me i just had to bring the boat back... Honestly i dont even care for the tower so i will more then likely put it on Ebay or something Anyway..
The 2nd boat ran great. we put 12 hours on the motor over the weekend and didnt have a single problem out of the boat. We actually stopped at Lake Norris by accident on a trip back from Kentucky to georgia and had the boat on the water all day. Believe this boat is the Se model and i dont think my other 255 was. I didn't have the radio changer on the dash before and i didn't have speaker in the front of the boat. 2nd time around he boat is really nice. They have not sold me 100 percent where @ the end of the summer i will buy a sea doo over a yamaha but i will def take a look at both models before i make a purchase. It performed great and i was able to get the boat up to like 55 or 56 mph with the lady friend myself and a full tank of gas. My only complaint at this point it how much speed the boat loses when it turns.. Not really that big of a deal but when i make a sharp turn on the tube to throw someone off it does lose lots of power..

Overall i am not disappointed with my 180 challenger purchase the 2nd time around..
 
I'm glad to hear that you had a much better experience with this one.

I am currently looking at the 2010 Sea Doo 210 Wake model. I like the design and fetures of it better when comparing it to the Yamaha 212X. But being a brand new model I want to make sure I know of any potential problems it may have because I don't want something unreliable. From what I have seen I think with this new 210 model Sea Doo has improved upon their design and fit/finish compared with their past. So when you are shopping for the replacement for your current 18' boat, take a look at the new 210 Challenger SE/210 Wake models, I think you will like them.
 
Yea a friend of mine bought the 210 wake edition. I actually like the color pattern better on his then any of the yamahas. He has the black with the tan/gold inside it looks really nice. We were tubing on it this weekend i really like the way the deck has those fold out chairs so i can watch the tuber, skiier whatever. I do like the way they look. At the end of the season i am going to sell this one and then when the 2011 come out i am going to head down to panama to see will and make a purchase then. He has both Yamaha and Seadoo's right there so i will be able to look at both side by side..
 
Sounds like a good plan. Let us know how your buddies 210 works out, any problems he has, etc. That is the model I want and there isn't much info out about them yet. :cheers:
 
we took his out over the weekend i was really impressed with that model.. this was his first jet boat ever. he has drove my Yamaha before and several sea rays before but never his own jet boat. so we get to the ramp and he puts it in the water just fine no problems.. we are waiting on the ladies at the dock they are off buying drinks and getting ice what not.. So any way he is backing out of the little spot at the dock he parked at and you know these boat are bigger and sit a little higher out the water he backed into the dock and put a quarter size hole in the fiber glass at the back driver side just where the swim deck start to head down towards the back of the boat.. He was so pissed! i had to i was sitting in the front of the boat and i was glad he couldnt see me but i couldnt do nothing but laugh.. the dealer said he would fix it for him at the end of the season for like $150 so it's not a big deal but he was PO! i would of been too if the shoe was on the other foot i guess.
 
Brett

Didn't you say you see my post on the YJB as well? If you dont mind me asking what makes you want a Sea Doo over the Yamaha or what make was the idea or reason for going one way or another for your new boat?
 
I have a buddy with a 212SS that we go out on just about every week. It is a very nice boat and I like it a lot, I would be very happy as a Yamaha owner. I like to wakeboard, so I would probably get the 212X which is nearly identical but adds the tower and ballast system. Haven’t driven the new Sea Doo 210 Wake yet, but spent a lot of time climbing around both in person at the dealer. The 430hp 210 Wake is probably only a few mph faster than the 212X if that, so I think the speed/performance between the two is comparable.


Sea Doo 210 Wake features that I really like:

Speed Control - essentially factory installed Perfect Pass
Ski Mode - controls acceleration rate when pulling a boarder/skier
Docking Mode - makes the throttle less sensitive for low speed maneuvering
Spins in reverse - due to reverse bucket design, makes docking maneuvers easier
Single throttle – Drive by wire throttle syncs engine rpms itself
^All of these will make it much easier for my wife to drive, which is a big factor
Large lockable wet storage in swim deck area will fit a wakeboard/vests/rope, can also be filled as extra ballast
Floor storage area locks and will fit skis
Hinged cushions that you don’t have to wrestle to open
Removable cooler behind driver’s seat is easy to get to
Radio control on swim deck is mounted off to the side and out of the way, little chance to accidentally bump it
Factory installed tower speakers/amp
USB input for MP3’s
Tower feels very sturdy, folds cleanly, and matches the lines of the boat nicely
High quality factory wakeboard racks
Transat seats are very comfortable
Trailer height of only 7’3” with tower folded, will fit in my garage
Has a built in heater, great for watersports and for keeping the womenfolk warm on cool days
No speed reduction gearbox since engines only rev to 8,000 rpm
Factory hour meter
Closed loop cooling system, better for salt water

Sea Doo 210 Wake negatives:

Higher maintenance for supercharged engines
Requires 91 octane instead of 87
New model with lesser known reliability
Under-seat storage areas are finished in gel coat but aren’t carpeted, but it’s easy to add carpet if you want it
The 21’ Yamaha appears to have slightly more under-seat area, even though overall the Yamaha’s storage areas are not as useful for large items (like boards or skis)
Sea Doo 210 engine compartment is less accessible then Yamaha for DIY work
The bow seating area of the 210 Wake is smaller than the 212X, it’s probably about 6” shorter. It’s still plenty large to be useful/comfortable for 2 people.
No jet cleanout plugs
Dashboard materials of the 212X seemed slightly nicer then on the 210 Challenger, but I thought the 210 Wake materials and fit/finish were on par with the 212X.


212X drawbacks:

Difficult to maintain boarding speeds of 18-22 mph, I would have to install Perfect Pass, so add $1400 to the price tag
No ski mode to control acceleration even with Perfect Pass, but not a deal breaker
Trickier around the docks due to reverse gate design, even with reversing individual throttles
No real good in-hull storage for boards or skis, especially if you keep the front cushion in the boat
Scupper valve is a real problem that can sink your boat if you don’t upgrade it before it breaks
Seat cushions are not hinged, have to wrestle them in/out and find a place to put them while you get your stuff
No tower speakers or amp, would have to install as aftermarket, so add ~$1500 to the price
Built in floor cooler is not insulated, and requires you get down on hands and knees to get a drink. Not a big deal, but it’s in the way of people walking front to back and it needs lots of ice to keep everything cold.
Factory installed ballast system seems to have problems with leaks that are hard to get to for a fix
None of the storage areas lock
Radio control on swim deck is in a bad spot, and always gets bumped accidentally turning the volume all the way up. This will eventually lead to blown speakers
Nuts for cleats come loose often, a minor problem but they are hard to get to
Wakeboard racks are kind of cheap (you don’t get the ones they show you in the marketing photos), most upgrade to better aftermarket ones – more $$$
Cleanout ports seem to either get stuck, or get blown out if not seated right. They can be nice to have but I think they may be just one more part that can cause trouble.
Trailer height even with the tower folded is 8’2”, which won’t even come close to fitting in my garage without major construction. My HOA says boats have to be in the garage.
Has a speed reduction gearbox since the HO engines spin to 10,000 rpm, just another additional maintenance item that can fail and will probably be expensive if it does
No hour meter from the factory, aftermarket ones seem buggy
Open loop cooling system can get clogged and cause the engines to overheat

Hmm, that was sort of long, but I think that is it. Once again, the Yamaha is a great boat and when the time comes I may still go that route. But Sea Doo has clearly put a lot of thought into the design and features of the new 210 Challenger/Wake models that are very appealing in my opinion.
This is what I am daydreaming about:

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A bunch more pictures here:

http://sea-doo.net/units/2010/2010 Sea-Doo 210 WAKE/index.htm
 
By the way, I had posted some of these questions/items over on the Yamaha forum before, and was a bit surprised at how brand-biased, and just factually incorrect, some of the responses were. So it would probably be best to keep this conversation over here. ;)
 
Just thought of another big one. The Yamaha's seem to have a real problem with the spark plugs getting frozen and stripping out the threads in the cylinder head. If your spark plugs sieze, you may get lucky and get by with installing heli-coils, or you may get unlucky and have to remove the head for repair which is a major amount of work. I haven't seen these kind of recurring siezed spark plug problems with the Rotax engines, but maybe I just haven't seen them yet.
 
oh ok i was just curious.. I am not real mechanical i just take it to the shop and have them fix it when something breaks.. I strickly go on Looks and speed... So far i like the look of my sea doo 180 challenger better then my LS2000... I also like it has a smother ride and cuts the chop a lot better. I also like the full wrap window and it def has a lot more storage. Also you sit deeper in the sea doo so its safer for my kids....But the ls2000 i had by far performace wise was way better to me then my challenger. The hole shot was way faster on my ls2000 then challenger my top speed was faster i would say by 5-8mph but it was also 270 and challenger is 255.. Oh the big thing so far is that the sea doo is a 4stroke vs 2stroke.. I like not having to play with the choke or any of that i like putting the des key in and hitting a button. But on the new yamahas there all 4 strokes so that part is even on the new ones any way... also my family is getting bigger which means my boat has to get bigger. 24feet is def better then 21 or 22..
 
does the sea doo 210 wake tower realy fold down... if so.. How ?? Will it fit in my 8' tall garage door ?
 
The 210 Wake tower folds--in fact, I don't think Sea-Doo sells any towers that don't fold anymore. Height on trailer with tower folded for the '10 210 Wake is 7'3", which will easily fit in a standard size garage door.

I can't speak for the Wake model specifically, but the tower on my '08 Challenger is solid and stable. No shakes, rattles or anything like that.
 
That 210 Wake is a sweet lookin boat. If I was in the market for a new boat, I would be lookin for one of those.
 
Yamaha Owner

I owned a Yamaha SX210 which is not a wake boat but some observations apply :

CLEAN OUT PORTS !!!!!

This is what swung me over to Yamaha. You can extract sticks and ropes from above without ruining your day by having to trailer the boat. this is a HUGE feature. Very tired of limping back to port in Sea Doo. yes the clean out plugs can blow out if you bone head the locks, there is a fix for that.

Yamah engines and drives are totally bullet proof (many forum postings attest to this) - the comments above about spark plug threads are not the norm, they do go through plugs 1x per year but they are $ 3 each and no problem installing. No drive train problems whatsoever, no superchargers.

Yes the $ 6 scupper valve is a problem. No biggie. 1 hour fix and not mandatory.

Hardware etc is far superior to Sea Doo and has backing plates.

Re the reverse gate thing, Cobra fins solves that and you have complete 2 engine control even in reverse, no lockouts, beeps, etc. Far easier to maneauver.

Yamaha engine bay is very spacious and easy to work in. also its raised above the bilge so water doesnt harm the engines.

I went back to a 150 Speedster because of size only. SX210 more than I needed. Great boat though.
 
Hi, I was reading your post...i'm also thinking of getting a c180. You said it handled the chop fairly well. For me chop would be about 3 foot sea, or about 1m waves...I'd say in that I would have to pick my way along fairly slow? What kind of chop have you been out in and how did you find it?
Thanks
 
I've just been out in 1m swells. I cruised at 30kmh. Not uncomfortable, but not pleasant either. I was by myself. I'm sure others wouldn't be comfortable. This is purely from the length of the boat.
 
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