2001 Sea-Doo GTX-DI Oil

[VT TRIPLE GUY]

Hello,
Other then the fact that this is snowmobile oil and the specs say TC-W3, why can't I use this in my 2001 GTX-DI 951? See the attachment. I don't understand what the problem is with the "TC-W3". This oil says nothing about being for outboard motors.Im not trying to start another oil war, just trying to understand! I've used this for years in my ski-doo sleds with great results. If I could buy just one type of oil, it would be great! I posted this to another forum and got no replies, so I thought I would try it here.

Thanks very much,
Larry

 

[mikidymac]

The reason is that seadoo requires an API-TC oil and TCW-3 does not meet these requirements. The API-TC full synthetic oil your DI requires has been tested for lubrication and clean burning.
The DI engines burn very lean and need good oil to live. Do yourself a favor and just run the Seadoo XPS full synthetic or Amsoil Interceptor.

In the end you can do what you want but you asked and the correct oil is API-TC Full Synthetic.

 

[VT TRIPLE GUY]

Thanks for your reply. As far as I could tell the oil I referenced meets the requirements. I'm new to the PWC sport so I wanted to see what others thought.

 

[mikidymac]

It states that it is a TCW-3 oil. As far as everyone in the business said there is no such thing as a dual rated oil. so it is either TCW-3 or API-TC. It is a completely different testing procedure. I am not sure how Klotz classifies it as dual rated. I love Klotz products and run it in everything but my Seadoo's, they get Seadoo XPS full synthetic.

The Klotz oil you posted is $48 per gallon and the seadoo is $47 on amazon. Save a buck and use the correct oil.

 

[96spxpos]

Yes, do as you wish, but if you feel like rebuilding your motor in 2 years, use the Klotz, if you want to get 4 or 5 years + (if taken care of properly), use the API-TC.. Take the blue pill or the red pill. take the blue pill, your riding ends here... take the red pill and you can take that 'Doo far down the rabbit hole. The choice is yours.

 

[VT TRIPLE GUY]

Interesting,
So a TC-W3 oil cannot be certified for API-TC. Klotz has some explaining to do. Thanks for your replies.

 

[mikidymac]

I am not saying that it can't and I do love all Klotz products but in the 20+ years I have been messing with skis I have been told by factory reps and the average Joe that there has never been a true dual rated oil that has actually passed API-TC and TCW tests. This could be bad info but it has always been what I have been told. I do know that seadoo does take their oil requirements very seriously and is why they do specify the API-TC full synthetic over TCW oils that in my opinion are not at the same level. The seadoo's make some of the highest power per cc of the watercraft and the DI in particular being a lean burn engine needs the best oil available.

What I am saying in this situation there is not a one oil for everything product, just like in automobiles you need to use what the manufacturer requires. I wouldn't use my Delo 400 15w-40 oil in my new corvette that requires Dexos 0w-20 just because I only want to buy one oil. No, I don't have a new corvette.

 

[VT TRIPLE GUY]

For what it's worth, I called Klotz tech line today about this issue. I asked him if their TC-W3 snowmobile oil is API-TC certified, he said it absolutely is. In fact it meets or exceeds that spec, and many other specs as well.( see label) I told him what I had for a PWC, and that I wanted to use one oil for both PWC and Snowmobile, he said no problem! He has a Ski-doo snowmobile and uses that oil in it as well as all his chain saws. I asked him what the difference was between their skicraft oil and snowmobile oil, he said it's basically the same except for the pour point.

I asked the previous owner of my ski what oil he used, he didn't give me a brand but said "a good quality TC-W3 oil" When I bought the ski I didn't know the difference.

Now if I just spent $15,000 on a new ski, I would use what the factory says,at least till the warranty was off. Knowing now what I do about Klotz oil, I have full confidence in using it in my 15 year old ski. If I blow it up, I will let you all know! To each his own!

 

[mikidymac]

I trust Klotz too but thought this might provide a little more info......

Sea-Doo and Ski-Doo didn't go with the NMMA, they refused to allow their engines to be destroyed and recommended to their owners NOT TO EVER USE TC-W3 oils! Polaris bought the TC-W3 sales pitch at first, recognizing an inventory advantage to having only one two cycle oil to be used in their watercraft, quads and snowmobiles. But they soon discovered the same problems many had already found with the TC-W3 oils when used in a sled. Ring sticking, exhaust port blocking and low temperature flow problems. Suddenly all those advantages of the TC-W3 oils they read about from the additive maker's brochures weren't working out when weighed against all the engine failures! Have you noticed they have gone back to purely snowmobile developed snowmobile oils? Currently there are not any snowmobile OEM's recommending the outboard NMMA TC-W3 oil, and there is a reason for this. They are not acceptable in today's powervalve equipped snowmobiles! Only oil companies with little actual knowledge of snowmobiles and their specific needs continue to try to sell snowmobilers an outboard oil for their snowmobile...and this is because they have a vested interest in doing so...economy of scale by combining several markets into one and selling just one oil. Do not fall for their sales pitch!

 

[VT TRIPLE GUY]

Thanks a lot for your input, I appreciate it!

 

[mikidymac]

That's why we are here.:thumbsup:
Glad we could help. Without turning it into an oil debate just trying to give you all the info we can so you can make an educated decision. Ultimatly it is your ski so run what you are the most comfortable with.

 

[Username01]

Well what about the quick silver, you can buy it at autozone for 25 a gallon half the price and it is rated for api tc just like xps but it is Ashless instead of low ash

 

[mikidymac]

It is another dual rated oil so my opinion is stay away from it. Quicksilver used to make a Seadoo specific API-TC oil but now only offers the dual rated.
In addition you want the ash as it helps with lubrication.
I know Lucas makes an API-TC oil.